[ExI] Manning and Assange

[T. Watts]

I saw the video, and it certainly appeared to me (in combination with the sound track) that the pilot believed he was shooting at bad guys. Imagine yourself in an extremely stressful situation, staring for hours at a small grainy black and white screen, trying to pick out targets from non-targets. seems to me it would be very easy to get jumpy and make mistakes. I saw no war crime, just tragic mistakes. 

> From: spike66 at att.net
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:39:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Manning and Assange
> 
> 
> 
> >... On Behalf Of Keith Henson
> 
> >> ...So the point of all this is that a soldier or sailor must recognize 
> > the difference between legal orders and illegal ones.  To witness a 
> > war crime and not report it is a war crime.
> 
> >..."Collateral Murder" should be easy to find...
> 
> OK found it, saw enough of it to know what it is.  I don't see that Julian
> did anything illegal about posting that, nor PFC Manning, for the video
> isn't marked as classified.  Classified info must be marked as such,
> otherwise it isn't.
> 
> >....Because of what Manning did, you can watch it yourself and decide if
> the gunship engaged in a war crime and make the judgment if Manning was
> obligated to make it public since people far up the chain were trying to
> keep what he thought of as a war crime under wraps...  Keith
> _______________________________________________
> 
> It looks like a war crime to me.  This is what the video made me think of:
> the modern military really emphasizes law and order.  We have these advanced
> systems now, IR vision enhanced multispectral this and that, such that
> helicopters can thump around so far away from the target no one even knows
> they are in the area, and still be able to identify a target, in complete
> darkness, and destroy whatever they choose.  We can never trust anyone with
> that advanced weaponry until it is established that they are
> super-disciplined follow all legal orders exactly and carefully types, no
> exceptions.
> 
> Keith what ever came of this case?
> 
> spike
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