[ExI] Digital Consciousness .

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at canonizer.com
Mon Apr 29 19:53:53 UTC 2013

Yay, another Material Property Dualist! (http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/7)

Spike, you know that the consensus race between materialists and
functionalists is neck and neck, though the functionalists (who predict you
can get as many colors as you want, simply by adding more bits.) have been
in the lead most of the time.  Currently the functionalists lead by less
then one person (your vote gets split when you support multiple camps), so
If you join the material property dualist camp, that will put us in the
consensus lead!

At least until Kelly Joins Stathis, in the Functionalist camp. (

Anyone else leading one way or the other?

Brent Allsop

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, spike <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Brent Allsop <brent.allsop at canonizer.com
> >
> wrote:
> > Is there an infinite number of different crayons to be discovered?
> Actually I can answer that with my old familiar mathematical toolbox.  The
> number of crayons produced to date is finite and the number of different
> crayons yet to be discovered is finite.  Reasoning: a crayon contains a
> finite number of atoms, and every crayon is composed of atoms entirely from
> this planet.  The number of atoms on this planet is finite, 10^48 is a
> close
> enough order of magnitude estimate.  So even if we define a crayon as any
> atom or any combination of atoms, the number of possible crayons is the
> number of combinations of 10^48, which is finite.  Reaaaaaly really big,
> but
> finite.
> If you meant to ask, is the number of colors finite, I could argue this is
> infinite, since a color can be defined as an arbitrarily small increment in
> frequency of light reflected in any combination.  I would argue this is
> infinite, even if our perception of these colors in finite.  I myself can
> generally distinguish only about ten or so colors, or rather I know the
> names of that number, the resistor color code.  I don't really perceive why
> my son's crayon box needs 64 of them.
> > Boy, what would a picture with all that be like?
> I don't understand this term "like."  I sure hear it enough.  Makes me
> crazy.
> >...  Or, just as there is
> > a limited number of elements, are there a limited number of elemental
> > phenomenal qualities correlated to sets of them?
> The elements are finite, the possible crayons are finite, the number
> possible colors, infinite.
> spike
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