[ExI] instilling ambition

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Brian,

Sorry, That probably wasn't the best way to communicate what I was 
trying to say.

Let me try it this way.

In almost any community, you can find a church full of hundreds of 
people all co-operating, most of who will do anything they can to help 
you, if you step inside, especially if you are like they are.  Where 
have there ever been enough liberals, willing to work together, enough 
to build even one church or accomplish anything close to the scale of 
building a church?

Another single example is what the LDS church did, to get Proposition 8 
passed in California.  Of course, that was an imoral thing to do, but 
the fact is that hundreds of thousands of Mormons all worked together 
very efficiently to get what they thought they all wanted.  LDS church 
leaders canceled typical weekly meetings, and instead organized and 
handed out call lists to everyone, and everyone worked on calling, 
getting out the vote, instead of their normal meetings.  They also 
reached out to other similarly well organized religions like the 
Catholic church, and efficiently managed and did what was required to 
get what they wanted done.

Then, the liberals, (who should have easily been able to get something 
better, after all this is California, home of San Francisco, and 
Hollywood...) after Prop 8 was passed, because they did nothing, they 
just ran out into the streets, completely unorganized, bitching and 
moning that someone didn't do the work to get what they wanted.  In SLC, 
they all marched around the LDS temple, stopping traffic, and more or 
lees keeping any Mormons for working to get what they wanted, in 
completely unorganized, useless, and it's too late ways.

They all started and gathered in a park, and attempted to have a speech 
for the entire crowd, but nobody was organized enough to even set up a 
good sound system, so nobody could hear anything anyone was saying.  
While a few blocks away, in another park, there was a will organized 
crowd, with a very nice sound system - giving the other POV.  The 
biggest problem was, nobody from one side was listening to the other - 
i.e. zero communication.  Just both sides trying to fight and destroy 
the other.  Obviously, the liberals and transhumanists are still loosing 
this battle, simply because they can't work together, like the other 
side can.

Should we build a list of all transhumanist that have not only wanted to 
excommunicate the Mormon Transhumanists from being a member of h+, but 
were also ambitious enough to take actions to excommunicate them?  Even 
though, now,  after only a few years, there are more than 250 MTA 
members (see attached graph of accelerating MTA growth, and project this 
into the future).  I would argue they are more active and well 
organized, and accomplishing more to push forward towards what we all 
should be doing than all other lonely transhumanists, combined?  Which 
branch of h+, do you think, will be the first to be well organized 
enough to build and maintain, the equivalent of a church building?

Every week, more than 35,000 Mormons gather in their beautiful 
conference center.  Can anyone give me any other example, where 
transhumanists have been able to organize in such effect ways, and do 
something similar, even once?  Has there been any group of 
transhumanists, gather anywhere, that was more than 1000?  The world 
transhumanist association, and a few other conferences, after years and 
years of trying, have gotten close to a mere 1000.  And maybe they would 
have gotten there, if a portion of them hadn't split off, and tried to 
form the World Transhumanist Society, thinking they could do it better, 
for whatever reason, so they didn't want to support that other group.

Brent Allsop




On 1/20/2013 12:44 PM, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Brent Allsop wrote:
>> In my opinion so many transhumanists have the Jules Vern type attitude so
>> many Sci-Fi heros have, that they can do it all themselves, damn the rest of
>> the world - let them rot in hell, for all I care.  My way or the highway.
> This smells like a strawman. Which transhumanist acts like that? Which
> person exactly wants people to rot in a hell?
>
> - Bryan
> http://heybryan.org/
> 1 512 203 0507

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