[ExI] [Hplus-talk] Working toward an Optimal Future

Adrian Tymes atymes at gmail.com
Sun Oct 20 06:46:37 UTC 2013

Unfortunately, the value of yet another community for mere talk is low and
potentially negative.  There are many, and adding one more disperses what
unity we have.  It would be superior to take one of the established forums
and promote it more widely.

Further, it is mere talk.  There is no connection to action - no assistance
for, once the talk has come up with a plan of action, implementing it.
There are already many well-known things we could do right now, if we had
the resources.  The energy to put this forum together could be better
spent, researching the ideas (on existing forums) and finding ways to, for
instance, actually get a 3D printer into the hands of one who proposes to
adapt it to use recycled plastics...but perhaps can not afford their own 3D
printer.  (Or better yet, to design those last few bits of 3D printers that
3D printers can't yet print.)

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:

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> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:44:41 +0200
> From: Magnus Ulstein <magnus.ulstein at gmail.com>
> To: hplus-talk at list.humanityplus.org
> Subject: [Hplus-talk] Working toward an Optimal Future
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> If you are on this mailing list, chances are you’ve given at least some
> thought into how you would prefer the future to turn out. And chances are
> reality isn’t quite living up to your expectations. So the question we have
> to ask ourselves is: What can we do about it? How can we nudge
> transhumanity on to a path that leads to a more optimal future? And just as
> importantly: what does a more optimal future even mean?
> So, what can we do about it? Well, there are maybe a few thousand of you
> who receive this email. That’s probably enough of a community to do
> something. And elsewhere on the internet, net communities like LessWrong
> and the Lifeboat Foundation are working to prevent some pretty nasty
> futures. In another corner of the internet, environmentalists and
> socialists are discussing how to prevent a corporation controlled future
> from two very different angles. Environmentalist movements oppose genetic
> modification in general, thinking only of terminator seeds and genetic
> diversity while transhumanist movements support genetic modification in
> general, thinking about the end of hereditary disease and a new generation
> of transhumans.
> As I see it, the main problem we have is simply this: those of us who think
> seriously about the future aren’t talking to each other. At least not
> enough. There are millions of people out there working towards a brighter
> future, and we aren’t coordinating. And because we lock ourselves in
> different mailing lists, on different web forums, we miss out on the ideas
> that could be born from our interaction.
> We have a lot we can learn from each other. Imagine the Green movement
> combining with the Maker movement to produce 3d printers using recycled
> plastic. Imagine transhumanist socialism, based on raising everyone up
> rather than forcing everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Imagine
> open sourced cybernetic implants.  Who knows what good ideas could emerge
> if we could just talk together.
> Some colleagues and myself have put together a website where all futurists
> and people who care about the future (but do not identify themselves as
> futurist) can discuss the relevant topics and hopefully find novel
> solutions through combining ideas that one wouldn’t normally think to
> combine.
> Hence this mail. Humanity+ is perhaps one of the largest and best
> established future interested groups out there, and frankly I’m not sure
> we’d be able to pull it off without you. Your participation in this grand
> experiment would help us make a more Optimal Future for everyone. In
> return, we can offer a refreshing change of perspective and a look at the
> bigger picture on where we are headed.
> I hope to see you there.
> http://optimalfuture.org/
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