[ExI] malevolent machines

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Wed Apr 9 03:42:18 UTC 2014


The mystical belief is to think that we are not just another type of
machine.

Giovanni


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:07 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> *>...* *On Behalf Of *Stathis Papaioannou
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] malevolent machines
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> On 9 April 2014 09:14, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >...Unless there is something really important that I don't know about
> computers...
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> Bill there might be something really important that no one knows about
> computers.  Read on, sir.
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> >...it seems to me that having a machine 'wake up' like Mike in Heinlein's
> The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, is just absurd...
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> Plenty of people share that view, but stop short of offering any actual
> evidence.  We know that it hasn't been done before, however...  read on
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> >...It does what it is programmed to do and cannot do anything else...
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> We already know ways to program software to learn.  Examples are learning
> checkers and chess programs.  If one wants to use one's background
> computing cycles in this way, one can set the computer to play itself using
> two different chess programs for instance, and learn by seeing the results
> how to set parameters.  This would be an example of software that is
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> >... Any other function is just some sort of mystical belief that is
> paradoxically held by hard scientists.  Comments?  Billw
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> Control software can be made to be self-modifying.  It does an action,
> watches what happens, makes corrective action with a feedback mechanism of
> some sort, it experiments.  Successful algorithms spawn offspring in a
> process analogous to biological evolution.  What part of this seems
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> I can think of no fundamental reason why a mechanical device could not in
> principle evolve a mind of its own.  A mind is a mechanical device, and it
> has a mind of its own, or is a mind of its own.  If you have some new
> insights on this question, do share please.
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