[ExI] hansen going nuclear

Tomaz Kristan protokol2020 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 13 18:26:27 UTC 2014


Hansen of NASA? I guess he is scared of fracking, that's his love for
nuclear.

When fracking will be of the table (God forbid this to happen!), he is
going to change his views again.

Those Greens are in favor for the alternative, which they see as the most
remote. They don't care for energy much, on the contrary.




On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Alfio Puglisi <puglisi at arcetri.astro.it>wrote:

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> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
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>> This makes so much sense to me.
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>> http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/03/world/nuclear-energy-climate-change-scientists/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
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>> If the hardcore Greens would get behind nuclear power, we can envision
>> that as one of the big players in our near term and midterm energy future.
>> It really stands to reason from the point of view of the Greens: nuclear
>> power is cleaner than any of the alternatives, including PV (depending on
>> how you look at it, if you include the manufacturing process for instance,
>> which we need to do.)  It is the most compatible with wildlife, which is
>> something that has broad appeal everywhere across the political spectrum
>> (political conservatives love wild animals too, perhaps more than moderates
>> and liberals.)
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>> Nukes can be located way out and away from population centers if we wish,
>> such as along the Colorado, Sacramento and Columbia Rivers (we still need
>> plenty of cooling water.)  We can use the power to drive biomass to liquid
>> fuel conversion, which is carbon neutral, which should please the global
>> warming crowd.  And even if we have a bad accident, like the one at
>> Chernobyl, well, we just created a huge wildlife refuge, ja?  It's a
>> solution that doesn't need to get all tangled up in pointless left vs right
>> politics.
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>> Dr. Hansen, what took you so long?
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>> spike
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> Hansen has been in favor of nuclear power for years, at least since 2008
> as far as I know, even mentioning thorium reactors and IFR. So I am not
> surprised.
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> It is rather ironic that, here in Europe where supposedly the public is
> very much against nuclear power, we have the highest percentage of
> electricity generation by nukes (around 30%!). A few countries, including
> mine, have rejected nuclear power, but it is kinda pointless on a merely
> national level: one glance at a map (see for example
> http://www.euronuclear.org/1-information/maps.htm ) shows the
> nuclear-free countries surrounded by nuclear reactors. Relative distances
> are rather small, so that a reactor in France, Switzerland or Slovenia
> isn't that far. And the export market is vigorous (and priced by the
> minute!), so we do use plenty of nuke power actually.
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> I am still unconviced that nuclear is cleaner than PV: maybe in regular
> operations, but Japan has shown that screws-up can happen even in very
> advanced countries and have the potential of making hundreds of square
> miles off limits. Not good in high-density countries.
> What PV really needs is chemical storage. I briefly looked for research in
> large-scale methane production from electricty (methane storage for entire
> months' worth of consumption is already there), but didn't find much except
> pilot experiments. Is anyone up to speed on this topic? How much efficient
> are current processes?
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> Alfio
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