[ExI] Whistling past the graveyard

John Clark johnkclark at gmail.com
Thu Apr 7 02:50:11 UTC 2016


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016  Henry Rivera <hrivera at alumni.virginia.edu> wrote:

​> ​
> Modifying benchmarks in response to our better understanding of the
> complexity of the tasks at hand is understandable


​Yes it's perfectly understandably, we understand the problem much better
that we did 20 years ago and that makes people scared, hence the whistling
past the graveyard.  ​



> ​> ​
> I'm with the skeptic who posted here recently
>> representing the opposition, I forget who, in believing we are very
>> far from developing strong AI, if it's even possible.


​We know that Evolution has made intelligence billions of ​times and
consciousness *at least* once, so if random mutation and natural selection
can do it why can't we?



> ​> ​
> My take is that
>> conscious machines are really what people are thinking of when they
>> refer to AI, not superior automated Go decision-tree-machines.


​To hell with consciousness I'm much more interested in intelligence. If
the AI isn't consciousness that's it's problem not mine, but the
machine's intelligence effects me directly.  ​

​> ​
> People
>> will argue about whether (implied) strong AI is possible on the
> internet until this is resolved, but it's an empirical question
>> ultimately.


​
Artificial intelligence can be resolved empirically by having a computer
outsmart a person, but there is no way to prove that something artificial
(or natural for that matter) is consciousness, the only thing we know for
certain that's conscious is ourselves. But proof or no proof everybody and
I do mean everybody assumes that if something is intelligent then it's
conscious, or at least everybody did assume that until things that weren't
wet and squishy started to get smart.

  John K Clark

  ​







> So time will tell. This article I saw recently sums up the
> problems with strong AI well, I think. The author references Searle
> and Feynman.
>
> http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/a-neuroscientist-explains-why-artificially-intelligent-robots-will-never-have-consciousness-like-humans/
> -Henry
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