[ExI] Gunfight at the OK Convention

Dan TheBookMan danust2012 at gmail.com
Tue Mar 29 00:06:57 UTC 2016

On Mar 28, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Mar 28, 2016 11:17 AM, "Dan TheBookMan" <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I'm not sure what he'd be a martyr to. It's not like anyone would step in
>> >> and take his place.
>> >
>> > A martyr to speaking out against the government and anyone the government is
>> > trying to protect.  Worst case, you'd have a lot more incidents like that recent
>> > standoff in Oregon, and they'd get more violent.
>> Still too early to tell much about the result of the Oregon standoff. The guy who was killed by the government definitely fits the martyr mold, but I don't if his killing has yet set off anything greater than just adding his name to the list of people killed by the government. Sure, these folks probably inspire others, but there seems to be nothing yet like, say, the late 1960s from my reading. No widespread movement.
> Nah.  I was just saying Trump's death might inspire more standoffs, not that the standoffs themselves inspire much more.  It'd far more likely peter out than flame up into a civil war, no matter what the participants swear.

I think standoffs are likely to happen again simply because they're nothing new and nothing really threatening to the state -- not at the level they've been at since the 1960s. If MOVE or Waco didn't bring down the state or spawn widespread movements, I'm skeptical the much more tamer ones of today -- including Oregon -- will. The state is far more effective -- that's why it's in power -- at painting any attempts at serous armed opposition as kooky and scary. 

Of course, things can change. I doubt that for the US since it has a pretty stable ruling class and very little in the way of organized opposition amongst the ruled. Most of the fighting doesn't call into question the state's legitimacy, but is merely bickering over who gets what and who's side is at the helm.


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