[ExI] The Clinton Foundation

[Gregory Lewis]

I repeat the remarks by others I'd prefer this list not be infected by too
much discussion on current affairs, and I'd prefer a higher level of
discussion than 'Trump is a crazy with a potential finger on the big red
button'/'Clinton is corrupt!'

I think one of the important things with charity is to evaluate the likely
output (c.f. Effective Altruism etc.) and on this the Clinton Foundation is
pretty opaque.

A (critical, albeit as far as I can tell fairly well-reasoned) take is via
Nathan Robinson here:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/08/the-clinton-foundations-problems-are-deeper-tha



Gregory Lewis
Public Health Registrar, East of England
Mob: 07874 919786

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:56 AM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> >…A GS12 makes about $61,000 a year, seems pretty modest to me for a ​
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> Ja, so how did Abedin go from there to 135k, while on salary to the
> Clinton Foundation and Doug Band’s Teneo Corporation?  What exactly was she
> doing for all that and during that time?  The contract signed when she went
> into that arrangement should be very informative.
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> Abedin might have been legal had she given up her position at the State
> Department, but that would cause her to lose her clearances.  Can’t have
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> For Abedin to retain a salary of 135k at State requires a contract, which
> requires a careful documentation of what Abedin is actually doing for that
> sum.  For something that looks as suspicious as this arrangement, you need
> an army of contracts inspectors and an audit team, then a second army of
> inspectors and auditors to watch the first army, then a few independent
> inspectors to watch all of them.
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> There’s a reason why this kind thing shown below doesn’t happen:
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> If an auditor finds Miss Buxley making a salary equal to or higher than
> General Halftrack’s, for starters, Halftrack’s career is finished (or
> whoever signed off on the arrangement and Halftrack can prove he didn’t
> know.)  Then if it is found he did know and did not document the
> arrangement, he will be serving time in the brig.  Contract fraud is taken
> very seriously in government.
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> In 2012, Abedin was being paid higher than a Brigadier General.  OK then,
> show us the contract.  Who signed off on that?  Is that person busy for the
> next 1 to 5 years?
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> ​>>… ​Her arrangement with Ms. Abedin is fire.  It is contract fraud.
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> ​>…What fraud?
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> In government, one cannot just pick someone, make them an assistant and
> pay her whatever they want with our money.  There is a process in place to
> prevent situations like Halftrack would be in if his secretary is
> discovered to be making 135k with no clear description of her duties and no
> contracts inspection procedure in place.  To not have all that is contract
> fraud.  It is not as serious as leaking classified information of course,
> but it is a crime.
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> You mentioned you hadn’t heard of Huma Abedin before a few weeks ago.
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> ​>…It's true that being insane is not a crime and neither is being an
> imbecile, but* WHO CARES*?   ​
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> What difference at this point does it make?
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> ​>…And he's as dumb as a sack of rocks. In short Trump stands for
> everything that Extropianism doesn't, and yet it's Hillary the list really
> hates not Donald. I don't get it.  John K Clark
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> Eh, it isn’t that the list hates either of them really.  It hates
> power-grabbing crazies and power-grabbing criminals in high offices.  So
> don’t vote for them.
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> It makes a difference.  Governments must follow their own laws.
> Governments must fear the people they are elected to serve.  The people
> must not fear the people they elected to serve.  Otherwise we have a
> nuclear-armed banana republic.
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> Hear the footsteps.
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