[ExI] alpha zero

[Dylan Distasio]

I don't mean to be a wet blanket or come off disrespectful but this is not
that surprising given current deep learning/reinforcement tech.

I have no doubt what they have presented is accurate.

On Dec 10, 2017 10:54 AM, "spike" <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> *On Behalf Of *John Clark
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] alpha zero
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> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:
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> ​> ​>…The problem is knowing when they're as intelligent as we are.
> AlphaGO isn't even close. If it wants to argue otherwise I'd happy to
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> ​>…If it isn't even close to being intelligent how can it start from zero
> knowledge and teach itself to play chess…in less than a day and easily beat
> ​any human who ever lived?  John K Clark
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> Ja of course this is impressive, but consider all the ways this could be
> achieved that would look like it had trained itself from nothing in a day.
> An eager press corps could report the program was given nothing but the
> rules of chess, when in reality it was given the StockFish chess engine
> with no opening book.  That would constitute being given chess rules only,
> if the phrase is interpreted broadly.  In fact, that would be a good
> approach to the problem: StockFish code is highly optimized already, so
> there is no need to reinvent that wheel.
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> So imagine you some kind of training which slightly modifies StockFish,
> improves it, play a match with the original version.  Then you have made a
> huge contribution to machine learning, to computer chess, to human
> knowledge, with no intent to deceive.  The press might report it slightly
> incorrectly, which is what I vaguely suspect happened here.  Note I am not
> accusing anyone and cheering for the participants.
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> Regardless of how this is proven out, I think DeepMind has done something
> cool here.  I just can’t convince myself the wilder claims made by the
> reporters are all correct.
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