[ExI] labels, was: RE: GOV _ TRUMP

[William Flynn Wallace]

Take for instance, narcissism.  Plenty of people are that way.  Did they
choose it?  NO!  We were born this way.  I never saw a signup sheet come
around.  So it is genetic!  But I am even weirder: a really humble
narcissist.

 spike


Well now, genetic but not inevitable.  Genes tend to account for only about
half the variance or less in psychological traits.  Learning counts;
environment counts.  Maybe even will power counts.  I was genetically
disposed to like alcohol and tobacco, and I now use neither, and it wasn't
really all that hard to quit.  I can even be extroverted for short periods
of time, like one class period, though two in a row made me hyper.


bill w

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:21 AM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> >…I also agree with John - just say what you believe and leave labels out
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> Ja.  Never have we seen the left-right label fail so spectacularly on the
> national level than we did in 2016.  I still can’t tell which of those two
> mainstreamers go where on that spectrum, and if so, why.
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> >…Mental problems are so varied that many in the field think that the old
> labels, like psychotic and neurotic, are just not nearly sufficient and
> want to get away from labels entirely, as they confuse more than they
> elucidate.  …Any label tends to be an overgeneralization.  bill w
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> Overgeneralization sure, but sometimes useful.  Consider the label
> Asperger’s, which has come into fashion in the past couple decades, and
> sounds more respectable than geek or nerd perhaps.  It brought new respect
> to many of us who are queer but not homosexual, not outside of the
> mainstream anatomically or sexually, but waaaaay out of the mainstream in
> plenty of other areas (can anyone here relate?)  Being signed up for
> cryonics is queer in some circles (such as nearly all circles.)  I just
> like that label so much better than “odd sense of humor.”
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> Consider Extro-schmoozes.  At those, one can say something like “Two
> neutrinos went through a bar” and nearly everyone there will laugh (oh
> those gatherings are fun (it is like coming home to a place you’ve never
> been before (assuming you are from a really weird fun home.)))  Any
> gathering of normal people they look at you like you are some kind of
> extropian.  I have half a mind to hang a label on them: normal.
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> But we can deal.  Understatement, we can take advantage of psychological
> labels.  Take for instance, narcissism.  Plenty of people are that way.
> Did they choose it?  NO!  We were born this way.  I never saw a signup
> sheet come around.  So it is genetic!  But I am even weirder: a really
> humble narcissist.
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> Imagine the scenario, guy goes to the psychologist or psychiatrist, doc
> tells him: you are a narcissist.  Guy: I KNEW IT!  THAT’s what is causing
> me to be this way.  Now I have a LABEL!  It is a mental disease or
> condition, one with no medication to cure it.  Now they hafta treat me with
> RESPECT!  I am no longer merely an asshole, but rather a NARCISSIST, and
> Narcissus was a Greek god!  I am like him, only without the
> actual…like…beauty and superpowers and such.
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> Moral of the story: labels can be hurtful or fun:
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