[ExI] it's the yoga! was: RE: The Doomsday Clock

[Dave Sill]

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com
> wrote:

>
> This is not an intelligent person's way of having a discussion.  Don't get
> sarky with me and I will return the favor.  bill w
>

Sorry, Bill. I can't help it.

dave  They've lost most of their culture and are forced to live on land
> that can't really support life.
> ---
> I don't think it is true that they cannot leave the reservation.  Where
> did you get that idea?
>

I didn't mean to imply they can't leave their reservations. Of course they
can. Legally. The problem is they can't afford to relocate the reservation
to better land.


> And just who is failing to let them regain their culture?
>

Large pieces are irretrievably lost, Bill.  Like their language, religion,
and way of life.

OK, so they can't go roaming around killing bison and white settlers.
>

They roamed and killed bison, yes. They only killed white "settlers" when
whites invaded and occupied their territory and killed way more of them.


> What else are we restricting them from?
>

I don't know either, but I'm certain that we don't give them anything
without  strings attached.

And I don't see where anyone is forcing 'fixes' on them, but I really don't
> know.  And I also don't know what good, if anything, has come from leaving
> them alone.  They need to get off their asses, off alcohol, off drugs, and
> get a life of their choosing.  I have no idea how to facilitate this or
> whether we just should leave them alone.  Some people just won't be helped
> - they'd rather sit and be miserable.  If I am wrong, show me.
>

You presume to know why they're miserable and how they can fix it. You're
evaluating them by your own yardstick, not theirs.

To get a bit technical, the murders of Indians, the forced shoving them
> around, putting them in places they did not want to be, and all that,
> perhaps created a cultural 'external locus of control' situation.  (If you
> had an inner one, you'd be sure that you could solve your own problems.
> Outer = others have to do it for you).  Surely the Indians recognized the
> far superior nature of the European culture and also their powerlessness to
> resist it.  (Another technical term here is 'learned helplessness')
>

I'm sure they didn't recognize the "far superior nature of the European
culture". *I* don't think European culture is superior. They were savages,
too. They just had better weapons and communicable diseases.

-Dave
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