[ExI] Neural networks score higher than humans in reading and comprehension test

Wed Jan 17 02:20:34 UTC 2018

If we ever get to the point where we can sim a brain… we have arrived.

 spike

And I think you will have arrived at the beginning.  What they have to do
is the get rid of all the bad aspects of the brain's processing.  Far too
apt to make cognitive errors (again I refer you to Wikipedia's list of
them).  Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is one of the worst.  Superstitions
galore.

Maybe then we can gengineer the human brain to be free of these massive
problems, simming the AI, how ironic would that be?

bill w

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 7:05 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> >…I don't know why people make such a big deal about Shakespeare, all he
> did was place one ASCII character after another, even a child can do that.
>    John K Clark
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> Ja!  All Shakespeare did was take a bunch of famous quotes and string them
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> eventually I come to a part that is so simple it can easily be understood
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> Let us this about chemistry for a minute.  Big complicated field of study,
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> something, the excitation state of its electron (if present) any neutrons,
> etc, but we can see that it is a finite number of parameters needed to
> completely describe that atom.
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> Likewise we can do the same trick with a helium, with a lot more numbers
> required, but if we have an ordered understanding of what each of those
> numbers mean (electronegativity, mass, phase change conditions and forth)
> we can completely describe that helium, and the same argument can be used
> to describe every element in the chart, well over a hundred of them.
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> A list of numbers is a vector from the point of view of the computer; it
> doesn’t care how many numbers are in the vector.  It handles
> multi-dimensional space with no sweat on its processor.  It’s what
> computers do.  No worries.
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> The vector completely describing everything there is to know about an atom
> can be used to completely understand how two atoms can interact with each
> other, with some kind of operator.  So with that, any two-atom molecule can
> be completely described, and so can molecules with three atoms, or four or
> more, with each compound made of molecules which can be completely
> described by a list of numbers, or a vector (for our linear algebra fans
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> By logical extension, all chemistry could be reduced to a field of
> mathematics, but I prefer to think of it as elevated to a field of
> mathematics.  The computed doesn’t need to memorize a bunch of chemical
> names.  It doesn’t care if this list of numbers is a molecule of
> paradichlorobenzene, it knows everything that molecule can do, knows the
> location of every reaction site, knows how it interacts with other similar
> molecules and so on.
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> Structures are made of molecules that interact with each other in a
> special way, so these too can be described as vectors (really really big
> ones, but still just a list of numbers, the kind of things computers do so
> very well.)
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> Living tissues are made of structures, and membranes are made of tissues
> and cells are made of membranes, so if we can completely describe
> interactions of molecules with vectors, we can operate ourselves right on
> up to the cell level with vectors and from there on up to organs, such as…
> our brains.
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> Sure it is soft and squishy, but it is made up entirely of atoms which we
> already agreed could be described by a list of numbers.  It is a machine
> that runs on the principles of chemistry.  Given sufficient technology,
> chemistry can be modeled (we are doing that today already.)  With still
> more technology (more memory and processor power) then more complex
> chemistry can be modeled or simulated.
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> If we ever get to the point where we can sim a brain… we have arrived.
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> We don’t know if we are smart enough to ever sim a brain.  Can a brain
> simulate a copy of itself?  We don’t know that.  But unless we assume a
> brain is smart enough to create a simulation of itself, we never will.  I
> hope we will.
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> So… I prefer to think we eventually will, and keep working toward that
> goal.  Because if we can’t, we already know what will become of us.  If we
> make the goal, we don’t.  I want to not know what will eventually become of
> us.  So… I am thrilled with every cool new achievement, even if we know it
> isn’t “understanding” or it isn’t “intelligence” exactly but just a cool
> math trick.
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> Fun parting shot on my little essay: I have been following AI for many
> years.  I was one of those caught up in the hype in the 1980s over neural
> nets, and tried my hand at it back in the day.  I realize we ended up with
> a big goose egg on our time invested, but just in the last year or two,
> notice how it has been one thing after another?  Even if it is misleading
> headline grabbers (and I do think most of it is that) it might be something
> new and something promising.
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> Is this a great time to be living or what?
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