[ExI] Science or Scientism?

[SR Ballard]

> Yes, they say things like "I believe in a force more powerful than myself" and to tell the truth I believe in that too, gravity and electromagnetism are examples of 2 such forces. But that sort of argument comes from people who have rejected the idea that God is a intelligent conscious BEING, in other words they are perfectly willing to abandon the idea of God but flat out refuse to abandon the English word G-O-D. They redefine the word to mean a sort of generic amorphous grey blob, and its so generic, amorphous and grey that if that's what the word means then even I would have to say "I believe in God". But that's no more informative than saying  "I believe in stuff". I don't want to brag but I'm more intelligent than some run of the mill grey blob, so if I'm smarter than God then it's a pretty third rate God.
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>  John K Clark

I don’t mean to nitpick, but I actually feel like you didn’t understand what I was trying to explain. I’m trying to say that there is something “less” than the Abrahamic idea of God (the all-knowing, all-mighty creator/judge) and this very vague metaphysical higher power. 

There are other views of gods besides these two views. 

For example, they can be viewed more in line with how fae were/are viewed, as able to affect our world but generally disinterested.

A “worship as power” view, where when gods are not worshiped they slowly die. And when they receive sacrifices they become powerful.

As extensions of a “spirit of the place”, having a somewhat limited knowledge and power over a specific geographical area. 

A covenant Lord, having power mostly within his own people.

A god would not have to fit the Abrahamic view in order to be a god, but at the same would not have to be watered down into a nothingness like you suggest. 

You can envision a being, with a still-limited intelligence and power, however being still smarter and more powerful than yourself, can’t you? I’m sure you could find a human who would fit that criteria actually. 

Now I’m not saying God or gods are real, because I can’t think of any way to prove/disprove their existence. But what I am saying is that there are more than just these two extremes you are using. 
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