[ExI] stealth singularity
William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Thu May 16 18:31:16 UTC 2019
Some of you computer hipsters, please run with the ball on this. We could
help old people and dumb people (two different things, similar
difficulties.) We could make a buttload of money. Come on guys, let’s
get er dun.
Is learning Linux still too hard for seniors? bill w
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:52 PM <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:
> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
> Of *William Flynn Wallace
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2019 8:59 AM
> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] stealth singularity
> They are just “good” rather than intelligent. Two different things,
> often conflated.
> Spike’s postulate: any algorithm we know how to write is not AI, by
> >…For the first - explanation please. Your definition of intelligence…
> OK. Ever since the notion of artificial intelligence was invented
> (hipsters, when was that?) every time some arbitrary definition of what
> constitutes intelligence was achieved, the goalposts had to be moved.
> Reason: we could look at the code, see there was nothing magic or
> impossible to explain, so… we had to redefine intelligence as something
> more. If we can define exactly what is intelligence, it is no longer
> BillW, this has been particularly difficult on the chess world, as chess
> programs got to where they were just as creative, imaginative, artistic and
> all that as the best humans, in fact… better. So… apparently chess doesn’t
> require intelligence. Consequently… the chess world discovered that…
> …we are stupid.
> Damn that was an ego buster.
> >…For the second - you mean that humans cannot write software that turns
> into AI? They will have to do it themselves??
> I sure do mean that. Humans are not collectively smart enough to write
> software which meets our (ever changing) definition of intelligent
> software. Only AI software is smart enough to write AI software. Just as
> humans eventually wrote chess software which is better at chess than any of
> the guys who wrote it, artificial intelligence software can write
> artificial intelligence software which is more intelligent than itself.
> When (or if) this happens, it is the singularity.
> The reason why the singularity hasn’t happened (as far as we know) is that
> humans are not intelligent enough to write even the dumbest artificial
> intelligence program. We can’t write AI at all, not even AI which is as
> stupid as a box of rocks or as dumb as that young representative from NY.
> We don’t know how. If we can’t even get to that level, software is still
> far too dumb to write a smarter version of itself. We aren’t smart enough
> to write software smart enough. Yet.
> So… on we wait.
> As for MS - I hope they include a 'turn the damn thing off' button.
> bill w
> Thanks for that comment BillW.
> My mother has been a computer user since the 1960s. She took a minor in
> computers in her accounting degree in 1972, owned a PDP8 for her accounting
> business in the 70s. She has been a PC owner and user since 1982.
> Recently her frustration level has increased steadily to the point where
> she is ready to dump the whole thing in the trash, all because MicroSloth
> keeps changing things. In her younger years, that wasn’t a problem, but at
> age 80… it damn well is a problem. She wants to use the computer to do her
> things: home crafts, genealogy, hobbies etc, and wants to learn about those
> things, not mess with new computer stuff anymore, just use it to get to her
> favorite hobby sites.
> For some time I have been thinking about a FSB feature to add to one’s
> computer, which would be kind of an operating system shell. Every time
> MicroSloth makes any change of any kind, this software would somehow
> incorporate what it did and translate everything back to work, look and
> feel exactly the way it did when the user locked it in with the FSB
> Note on the name: it doesn’t need to be FSB. Picture a cop in a bad
> neighborhood, hears a noise where it shouldn’t be, sees a perp, draws his
> weapon and politely suggests FREEZE SLIME BALL! Well, the wretched bastard
> better damn well do it, better just exactly stop moving forthwith, or get
> shot down like a rabid dog. OK, freeze slime ball = FSB = stop moving
> forthwith. Your computer does everything you really need or want, you
> don’t care to learn any new bells or whistles, you want to stop fooling
> with the latest software innovation and just use the damn thing for what
> you want to do with it full stop. So… freeze slime ball: FSB.
> Some of you computer hipsters, please run with the ball on this. We could
> help old people and dumb people (two different things, similar
> difficulties.) We could make a buttload of money. Come on guys, let’s
> get er dun.
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