[ExI] Protest

[William Flynn Wallace]

Murder, aggravated assault, rape, armed robbery and more - you think you
are going to talk them out of it?  Maybe a few cases.  But these crimes
need strong police force - but no battery on the criminals, which happens a
lot, including at the police station.

Carrying a gun in the UK is a very serious offense I think, so the bobbies
are not usually confronted with armed criminals.  I dunno about other
places.   bill w

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:57 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 3:31 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> There are other ways to deal with such people rather than turning them
> over to a group of people who are known to brutalize other people.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
> You want to give them a good talking to?  Eh? Urge them to try therapy or
> positive psychology?
>  bill w
>
>
> Well, first you can stop them from doing the vandalizing. That seems to
> have happened, no? Some people there stopped him forcibly from whatever it
> was he was doing. That's part of what I meant. And, yes, talking works too.
> Or do you think talking never works? How do people, including police in
> other Western nations, quite frequently de-escalate situations like fights?
> Usually through talk, no? (How do UK police get along with most of them not
> carrying guns?)
>
> But it doesn't strike you at all as ironic that when protesting police
> misconduct, especially if as a protester you believe this is rampant and
> systemic, that you'd turn anyone over to the police?
>
> (My guess is most people, including many if not most protesters, lack
> imagination and insight here. This is a terrible sin. The average person
> gets upset at police misconduct -- though only after decades of such and
> only after it's finally widely publicized to the point it's impossible to
> ignore. I don't expect the average person to think of all the ramifications
> here and that the problem almost certainly won't be solved by a few
> reforms.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
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>
> http://author.to/DanUst
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> You keep mentioning Saul Alinsky as if he invented the protest. Bringing
>> him up is no answer to the issues raised.
>>
>> By the way, it's actually questionable when protesting police misconduct
>> _if_ turning over a vandal or a looter to the police is the right thing to
>> do. There are other ways to deal with such people rather than turning them
>> over to a group of people who are known to brutalize other people.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
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