[ExI] the science might be wrong
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Fri Jan 22 18:42:06 UTC 2021
California stands in stark contrast to that data you linked unless you
believe noone is wearing masks there.
As Ben pointed out, a properly fitted REAL N95 new single use mask probably
provides a significant amount of protection in terms of reducing both
intake of viral load and viral load escaping via cough or sneeze.
Based on the data I've seen, and common sense, cloth (and surgical masks)
are probably worthless (and possibly in some cases with repeat wearing even
worse than no mask). There's also the point raised about your average
person not using one properly even if they had a N95. They're not going
to seal it properly (they're very uncomfortable, especially in heat);
they're going to touch the outside of the mask, and then touch other stuff
including rubbing their eyes, etc. Maintaining sterile technique can be
taught, but is not easy to maintain. I used to do cell culture where it's
critical, but good luck getting a large group of people doing it
The mandate of cloth and surgical masks is nothing more than virtue
signalling and a control structure and there is no convincing data that
real world use is having any impact on spread. It would be funny if the
larger implications were not so disturbing.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 1:31 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> So then, tell me what's wrong with these data? bill w
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 12:26 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> On 22/01/2021 00:31, Spike wrote:
>> > With masks in particular, data accumulates showing they don't really do
>> much, if anything. We are seeing plenty of evidence in Florida, comparing
>> counties which require masks with those which do not. It isn't at all
>> clear they help slow infection rates.
>> Well, there's masks and there's masks. The word includes everything from
>> a closely-fitted medical mask with a filter that is probably pretty
>> effective, to a flimsy piece of cloth or paper with no seal at all with
>> the wearer's skin, which is completely ineffective. Not to mention that
>> if people have to be told to wear their masks around their noses as well
>> as their mouths, or "Don't wear your mask on your chin", you can be
>> pretty sure that a lot of them might as well not be wearing any mask at
>> all. I've stopped noticing the people wearing masks with big gaps
>> between their cheeks and the mask, but I'd say that probably most people
>> who wear them might as well not be.
>> Just as with statistics about deaths, statistics about masks are pretty
>> useless. At least as useless as the masks themselves, probably more.
>> Ben Zaiboc
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