[ExI] the science might be wrong

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Jan 23 01:27:17 UTC 2021


With my age and weak heart I don't really have a choice. I'll wear Adrian's
 mask anywhere in public.   The pros and cons are enormously different.
bill w
(wow, Henry, your post ran way way off the side of my page)

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 7:16 PM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I’m with Dave Sill on this one. Burden is minuscule, potential benefits
> huge. I don’t think it’s all or nothing with mask effectiveness. It’s a
> matter of degree. A mask that has some gap may not be as effective as a
> sealed, fitted N95, but it’s better than nothing—depending on other factors
> like proximity, ventilation/air exchange.
>
> Here’s a new study
> https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/90765
> <https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/90765>
>
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30293-4/fulltext
>
> And a Commentary from The Lancet
> Face masks help control transmission of COVID-19
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(21)00003-0/fulltext
>
> Six studies are referenced.
>
> More support:
> https://hms.harvard.edu/news/mask-slow-down-sars-cov-2-0
>
> Has anyone seen these and their variants?
>
>
>
>
> I think they have some face validity (no pun intended), dare I say show
> common sense? Again, I’m thinking probabilities here. Would you take your
> chances in a small room for 15 mins with someone who was covid + if you and
> them were unmasked if you had the option of one or both of you in a mask?
> Masks may not be that great, but I’d take the option of one or both of us
> in a mask because I know a physical barrier intercepting droplets has to
> stop some of the potential contaminants even if some get around it. But
> that could still equate to reduced risk of infection relative to if there
> was no barrier. That plus good physical distance could make the difference
> between getting infected and not. Maybe using covid in that example is
> inadequate. Too many people are not really scared of covid. What if it was
> smallpox which has a 30% fatality rate? Would you go unmasked saying your
> odds of were the same as if you were both masked since masks are useless?
>
> I read that Singapore as a society learned from SARS and H1N1 to mask
> early in the covid-19 spread and was spared significantly. They also has
> adequate supplies on hand: On January 20, Taiwan’s equivalent of the
> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced that it had “44
> million surgical masks, 1.9 million N95 masks, and 1,100 negative pressure
> isolation rooms” ready to go, according to an article
> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689> in the *Journal
> of the American Medical Association*. Masks became National mandate there
> on April 14 “when stepping out of the house with some exceptions.” They
> delivered masks to all their citizens prior to the announcement. Singapore
> doesn’t mess around when it comes to enforcement of laws:
>
> “Individuals who are caught refusing to wear a mask will be fined S$300 on
> their first offence, while those who flout the rule a second time will be
> fined S$1,000. Egregious cases will be prosecuted in court... Foreign
> residents caught breaching these rules might have their work passes or
> permanent resident status revoked.”
>
> They also locked down much of society and promoted distancing, with
> enforcement: “According to the Ministry of Health, nearly 3,000
> enforcement officers and ambassadors from more than 30 agencies have been
> deployed daily to public spaces in HDB estates across the island, to ensure
> that safe distancing measures are kept to.
>
> They contained it pretty well going by this
>
>
> Not perfect but enviable compared to the US. How much of that can be
> attributed to masks? I don’t know of course. But the cost of not masking is
> high if masks can make a difference, so why chance it.
>
> -Henry
>
> On Jan 22, 2021, at 3:21 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> *…*> *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] the science might be wrong
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> >>…  I am a machine life form- spike
>
> >…- and a rare one too - Made In America  bill w
>
> Ah yes, a kindhearted comment by a fellow driver of American made cars.
> We both think highly of our American-made products.
>
> But there is more.  I still think I might have caught an early case of
> covid.  I have not been tested for antibodies and refuse to go to the
> hospital to find out: too dangerous.  So I will assign it about a 30%
> possibility, but whatever was that condition which kept me sick for nearly
> two months was unlike anything I have ever had before.
>
> There were long term effects such as change of personality.  I used to be
> such a turd bird.  It is the opposite of what happened to Alice Cooper: now
> it’s more Mister Nice Guy.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN6ngThqMEs
>
> I open doors for little old ladies, unlike Cooper who started out doing
> that and stopped when he suffered abuse which caused him cynicism, as
> described in the song.  With me, it’s more Mister Clean, my dog stopped
> biting me, the cat stopped clawing my eyes, the works.  I fear it is a
> lasting impact of that virus: a personality change caused all this.
>
> I will grant that the little old ladies I help don’t look nearly as old to
> me as they once did.  But I digress.
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> spike
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