[ExI] Computers are changing humans

[Giovanni Santostasi]

The solution is not obvious?
It is time to allow in competition human-AI collaboration. The challenge
would be then how this can be optimized where one player is better than
another in using AI together with his own skills and understanding of how
the AI works. I'm pretty sure that a human-AI combination can be better
than only humans or AI. This is the future anyway, in particular when neuro
links would be common and widespread in a few years.
It is the same thing I feel any time use of drugs in sports is called
cheating. I agree that very dangerous drugs should be forbidden but not
because they help performance but because they are dangerous (I'm sure
there is a dividing line somewhere there).
This is a transition time where we still hope to separate what is just
human and what is "artificial" but that separation is artificial anyway.
Soon that transition will be over and we will be the AI anyway. Then what?
No competitions or sports? I don't think so.
We are already using AI to train chess players so why not let them use it
during a competition?
Or any human can go to these competitions use the AI in a very noncreative
way and have zero input in the process (so it would make competing
meaningless) or some humans will figure out how to work together with an AI
and be better than anybody else and that would prove a point and be very
interesting.
I don't understand this idea of making the competition more fun and fair by
limiting the available possibilities a modern human has at his disposal.
Would a match of soccer be more fun if the players had only one leg? There
are Paralympics and they have a place but weirdly enough in these Olympics
prosthetics can make you run faster than humans with normal limbs for
example.
So let people do whatever they want within the only limits that make sense
that is they should not damage themselves or others.
Giovanni




On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 4:27 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
> Of *Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat
> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 October, 2022 4:07 PM
> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Cc:* Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Computers are changing humans
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> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 3:22 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> Interface hipsters, any suggestions?  NO dammit I don’t intend to try it,
> but I want to suggest it on an internet chess forum.
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> I am surprised you make no mention of female anatomy, how a player with
> that would have ready access to something motorized that fits down there,
> and how some such players - if found with it - could try to pass off
> wearing it during a match as a mere focusing aid, pretending it had no
> ability to communicate (which capability is already available in certain
> models) or to host a computer.
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> Or just use a hearing aid.
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> Adrian I thought of that, as did pretty much every chess player, but
> declined to comment for lack of knowledge on how such a device located way
> you implied could have a workable I/O system.  One can fairly easily
> imagine the O, but not the I part of that notion.  Ladies here might not
> wish to comment online perhaps.  With regard to a hearing aid, same
> situation: I see how it could communicate in the device-to-human direction,
> but I don’t see how the human to device channel would work.
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> The chess online community of course is in mourning for what appears to be
> the long-anticipated end of the road for tournament chess forever.  I am
> among those who conjectured on this 20 yrs ago.  Chess forum participants
> are gleefully enjoying use of the terms “chess tournament” and “vibrating
> anal beads” in the same sentence of course, something none of us expected
> we would ever see.
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> Adrian, if a technologically sophisticated swindler wanted to create a
> perfectly covert small computing device in which the I/O requirement is
> very small, how would it be done?  Anyone?
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