[ExI] [Extropolis] libertarians

[Brent Allsop]

I didn't realize there were this many people that think Trump is Better
than Biden, here.
I sure think it'd be great to know how many people are on what side of
this issue.
Here is what I think.
<https://canonizer.com/topic/853-If-Only-Trump-or-Biden--who-/1-Agreement>



On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 12:30 AM Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 2023. Aug 16., Wed at 17:56, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 5:20 AM Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> * > I once did NOT call myself a libertarian because I didn't like
>>> the excessive emphasis on property and guns.*
>>
>>
>> Because I'm a material being I like the emphasis on property, but I was
>> never a big fan of guns. These days the only part of the US Constitution
>> "libertarians" give a shit about is the second amendment; forget about
>> torture and the lack of freedom of the press, for them 1984 would be a
>> paradise if people were just allowed to keep their guns.
>>
>> >
>>> *I prefer Trump to cancel culture.*
>>
>>
>> I just don't understand how you can say that!. Yes extreme wokeness is stupid
>> and it can be annoying but it's not catastrophic, however handing the
>> keys to a nuclear missile submarine over to a fascist imbecile who broke
>> the 250 year tradition of a peaceful transfer of power by staging an
>> unsuccessful coup d'état would be.  And Trump is also the most
>> anti-libertarian president in American history; women should not have the
>> right to have control of their own bodies, the freedom of the press
>> should be limited so that the president can sue reporters if they say
>> something he doesn't like, the federal government should stop the states
>> from legalizing marijuana, laws should be strengthened to stop people from
>> reading pornography....
>>
>
> I didn’t say that I like Trump. I said that I prefer Trump to woke cancel
> “culture,” like I would prefer losing one leg to losing both. The woke
> “culture” of whining and mobbing instead of striving and arguing will have
> catastrophic consequences if we don’t stop it now.
>
>
>>
>> * > now I do call myself a libertarian, or at least a libertarian at
>>> heart, because today's"culture" in the West is becoming anti-libertarian
>>> and this must be stopped.*
>>
>>
>> For nearly 8 years I've been asking, almost begging, people who called
>> themselves libertarians to explain to me how they can feel any emotion
>> other than contempt or revulsion for a creature like Donald Trump, but I
>> never received an answer that contained even a fragment of rationality. In
>> fact I was kicked off the Extropian List for asking that question too
>> often.
>>
>> *> I'm a libertarian in the true sense of the word: one whothinks that
>>> one should be free to think/speak/do whatever the fuck he likes as long as
>>> he doesn't interfere with the freedom of others to do the same.*
>>
>>
>> I agree completely. But you expect that if Trump is back in the White
>> House it will help to achieve that noble goal ?!!
>>
>
> No, and I hope you guys will choose another Republican candidate. But
> again, continuing with current trends would be so detrimental to that noble
> goal than everything is better than that.
>
>
>> John K Clark
>>
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