[ExI] teachers

[Jason Resch]

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 5:44 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 2:23 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 4:58 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Adrian and Jason,
>>>
>>> I don't think that anyone here actually believes the universe is
>>> conspiring against anyone, but my interpretation is that it is just a
>>> way
>>> to convey meaning.
>>>
>>
>> This is what one has to literally believe of superdeterminism is true
>>
>
> Incorrect.  Superdeterminism does not require the universe to be a
> conscious entity capable of conspiring.
>

I agree the universe need not be conscious, but a conspiracy, of some kind,
is necessary.

>
I noticed looking at that thread from 2016, that it was actually you who
first introduced the term conspiracy in relation to superdeterminism.


Just because you are unable to access certain information does not mean
> there is an active conspiracy to keep you from it.
>

>From reading those past threads it seems you never set aside time to see
what Bell's result was saying. If you had, you would perhaps better
appreciate what I and others back then we're trying to communicate.

Until you do, you will not understand just how outlandish superdeterminism
is. It is equivalent to saying there's a rule in nature that makes it so
when people flip coins (and something is happening to make their coin come
up heads  66% of the time), you propose that rather than apply or find some
reason to explain this aberration, you instead propose that for some
unlucky reason, the universe just happens to be a place where whenever a
person moves their thumb to flick a coin, the laws and this universe are so
ordained to cause these anomalous events (over and over again), no matter
how people alter or change their thumbs or thumb tossing method, no matter
who coaches then to learn to flip coins in different ways, no matter what
coins they happen to use, these people just live in that unlikely universe
where strange mathematically improbable things are destined to happen
forever, and they can't escape it. These poor people are fooled into
falsely concluding that a law is nature causes heads to come up 66% of the
time, rather than 50% as probability theory would suggest.

Do you consider this a reasonable explanation for why the coin tossings
come up heads more than tails?, That those unfortunate people just happen
to live in a very strange place where very odd unexpected behavior things
always happen, violating math and logic and fool them into thinking coin
tosses naturally come up heads 66% of the time? This is exactly the form of
the answer superdeterminism provides to explain the Bell inequality.

Jason
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