[ExI] chatbots and marketing: was RE: India and the periodic table

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 9 17:28:35 UTC 2023


I am so jealous of you.  You will get to see a lot of these changes and I
won't.  Oh well.  I once told Mama that she lived through the times from
horse and buggy to the Moon landing and ten years more, and those were
probably the greatest changes that have occurred in human history in that
short a time.  But maybe not.  Maybe I have.  Maybe you will.  Can positive
acceleration just keep on keeping on?   bill w

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 12:16 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
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> *Cc:* William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] chatbots and marketing: was RE: India and the
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> Taiwan has the best, eh Spike?  Well, what the Hell happened to industrial
> espionage?  Enormous dollars are at stake and there are still secrets?  Get
> a spy.  Pay him 50 million dollars - cheap at that price.  Why take over a
> country?   (also, a tetrabyte would be part of a fish)
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> Industrial espionage steals the intellectual property in the factory, but
> does not steal the actual factory.  Taiwan has the best and most electronic
> manufacturing on the scale necessary to have the best and fastest GPUs.
> America knows **how** to design those GPUs and how to build the
> factories, but the right combination of tax structure and talent base came
> together in Taiwan, which made that country ground zero for the manufacture
> of the most advanced computer chips in the world.
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> But since you ask, I propose a thought experiment sir.
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> Picture in your mind a working person in the USA, or Europe.  OK, do you
> have your mental image?  Did you picture a guy in an office, perhaps in
> front of a computer most of the day?  Plenty of us made our living or still
> make our living that way.
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> That was part 1, now part 2, consider a worker on the continent of Africa,
> working.  Did you picture a guy grubbing around collecting lithium ore in
> horrific conditions to satisfy the insatiable appetite in foreign lands for
> the stuff?
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> If you did, then, good for you.  You are aware of where we are in human
> history: the west is charging ahead with clean and green technologies, by
> compelling people in less fortunate parts of the world to grub around, dig
> up their land, gather the lithium and other minerals we need to purr around
> in our clean green cars.
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> OK then, part 3 of the experiment if you are still reading down this far.
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> Picture specialized chatbots which are trained on something very specific,
> such as the complete US tax code.  Printed out and bound into books, that
> tax code on a shelf spans the left elbow to the right wing tip on a typical
> tall man, so can estimate about 1 to 1.5 meters of book, perhaps two
> billion words.  A chatbot could read all that, and become a soft
> accountant.  It could be a five dollar alternative to hiring an accounting
> form.  It might be able to train the soft accountant to read all your
> receipts, figure out what is deductible, fill out your tax return.  If so,
> the tax accounting business is headed out the door, and if that can be done
> with specialized chatbots, so can nearly everything done currently in an
> office in front of a computer in part 1 of your thought experiment.
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> Conclusion: the guy who owns the capacity to manufacture the hardware to
> make those bots owns the planet.
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