[ExI] extropy-chat Digest, Vol 237, Issue 13

[William Flynn Wallace]

One would think that being able to lactate is a sure sign that it's a
woman.   Wrong.  bill w

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 10:00 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 7:34 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Someone who points out that everyone has XX or XY chromosomes (with the
>> occasional abnormalities, like XYY syndrome) are at odds with those who
>> want to ignore biology in favour of 'gender identity' (I know it sounds
>> bonkers, but look at the reactions against J K Rowling for simply stating a
>> fact). I have nothing against a man wearing a skirt, or people choosing to
>> have surger to alter their sex organs, but I realise that if you're born
>> with XY chromosomes, that makes you a man, and nothing can change that
>> (yet). This makes me an enemy of the "you're a girl if you say you're a
>> girl" crowd, who don't think chromosomes have a say in the matter.
>>
>
> The problem there is those who define "man" et al as anything more than
> just "an adult human with XY chromosomes" et al - and that would
> unfortunately appear to be the majority of people, regardless of the
> science, which makes their definition matter.  This isn't just the "you are
> what gender you think you are" crowd; indeed, that group arose as a
> reaction to the "women are defined as baby machines who are not supposed to
> earn a living"/"men are defined as mentally resilient enough that they
> should never seek mental health help"/et al crowd.  The chromosomes can't
> be changed but those other qualities can (to some extent: while no one with
> XY chromosomes has yet become pregnant that I know of outside of extreme
> surgical technicalities, most of the crowd is far more concerned with
> whether those with XX chromosomes may be forced to become pregnant and
> carry babies through birth against their will, which far too many say is
> part of being a woman by the definition of "woman").
>
> One theoretical solution could be to reduce those words to just their
> chromosomal meaning in popular usage.  We are so far away from that, that
> many view that solution as impossible in practice.
>
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