[ExI] LLM's cannot be concious

[Will Steinberg]

Tbh I didn't even realize John was still banned

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 2:42 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *>…* *On Behalf Of *Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
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> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] LLM's cannot be concious
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> >…I was mostly talking about John KC…
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> Oh, you meant to post it to Extropolis?  I haven’t been active over there
> since shortly after it came into existence.  I wasn’t aware that site was
> still active, but political topics are not just allowed there, they are
> welcome, along with all the personal insult anyone desires.  It was set up
> for that purpose.  I found it most dreary.  Even if personal insult is
> allowed, people should treat each other with respect and kindness, fairness
> and understanding, even those with whom we disagree.
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> >…but for what it's worth I do think you can be prone to start discussions
> around non-science social 'wedge' issues…
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> Sure.  If you meant discussions such as openness on Twitter, by all means,
> I think that is a most worthy topic to discuss in this forum.  I repent of
> nothing, I intend no disrespect for anyone, and this is not a political
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> Will, openness on Twitter is critically important considering what we are
> seeing unfold in just the past few months.  Twitter censorship existed, it
> was real, it was used as the US government’s end run around its own
> constitution, it was spectacularly wrong, most dangerously wrong.  It was
> used improperly to steer and control public opinion.  Now the new owner of
> Twitter makes it his goal to stop doing that.
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> There is nothing political about that, for all US parties and elected
> officials pledge to uphold the same constitution which disallows government
> from taking on the role of steering public opinion.  Public opinion steers
> government.
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> >…Nothing will ever be as bad as John's TDS though… Will
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> I wish him the best.  Over there.  He started so many flame wars over
> here, I eventually chose to step down as moderator, a move I never
> regretted.  I will say this: ExIMod has done a marvelous job.  They is most
> appreciated.
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> Will, if government is allowed to steer public opinion, it creates a
> positive feedback loop which leads to runaway power grabs which lead to
> murderous totalitarianism.  There are no known exceptions to that principle
> in all of human history.  It will always be that way in the future as well.
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> But if public opinion steers government, it forms negative feedback loops
> which control the tragic and reprehensible urge in humans to control other
> humans, a negative feedback which prevents murderous totalitarianism.
> There are no known exceptions to that principle in all of human history.
> May it ever be so.
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> spike
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