[ExI] What is Consciousness?

[Jason Resch]

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 11:00 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Can anyone give a better (non circular) definition of a quality?
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> A quality is a particular configuration of particle interactions. We do
> not know which configuration of particle interactions corresponds to your
> perception of red because that must be experimentally determined.
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Further complicating the matter, there may be infinitely many such
configurations of matter that yield the same experience. For example if
states of consciousness are multiply realizable. This is made true if the
computational theory of mind is true.

Jason


> On Mar 25, 2023, at 8:41 AM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:13 PM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:29 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:34 AM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> The entire idea of qualia is ridiculous
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>>> OK, then.  Answer me this,  What is it that has the redness quality in
>>> your brain, when you look at this?
>>> <red.png>
>>> Nobody knows that yet.
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>> ### But Brent, neuroscientists have known that for decades. The color
>> rosettes in the fusiform gyrus code for this quality, they are the neural
>> implementation of basic color recognition, with additional higher level
>> processing in the angular gyrus and other areas.
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>> We know color.
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> You don't see any problems in what you are saying here?
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> For example, what, exactly, do you mean by "code for this quality"?
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> This is just a circular definition that never actually gets to any
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> I see no evidence that anyone on this list understands what a quality is.
> Only saying something circular like anything can "code for this quality"
> to me, proves you don't know what a quality is.
> Can anyone give a better (non circular) definition of a quality?
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> A "code" for a quality, is something different than that quality.
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> A physical greenness quality, or a physical +5 volts, or a physical pit on
> a paper tape, or a word 'red' can all "code" for a redness quality, but
> only if you have a dictionary, which tells you that something that is not a
> redness quality represents redness.
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> Redness is a physical fact.   A "code" representing that physical fact, is
> not the physical fact.  You need a dictionary to 'decode' the 'code' back
> to the physical redness quality.
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> But, again, nobody here seems to understand what that redness quality is,
> other than a circular definition (not a definition) like:  "a code for
> redness"?
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