[ExI] What is Consciousness?
Stuart LaForge
avant at sollegro.com
Mon Mar 27 00:20:59 UTC 2023
Quoting Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:34 AM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 10:47 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So following your rationale that consciousness requires "essential
>>> qualities" rather than "abstract data" then old -fashioned color film
>>> cameras were conscious:
>>>
>>
> Yes, this is a great first step towards understanding. Some things in
> nature must behave the way they do, because of their intrinsic
> colorness quality. It is theoretically possible that silver-nitrate
> crystals behave the way they do, because of their colerness quality. The
> only problem is, there is no computation going on, with the film or in such
> a camera, just stand alone silver-nitrate crystals abstractly representing
> the picture.
> The next required step is computational binding. In order to
> directly apprehend something's intrinsic quality, you need to be able to
> computationally bind it into the rest of your consciousness, so you can
> directly apprehend their quality, so you can compute with them, enabling
> you to say: "Oh THAT is what silver-nitride particles are like."
In order to computationally bind an intrinsic quality to
consciousness, requires the quality to be changed into information
that is to say digitization. Since the Polaroid camera produces a
chemical photograph of the strawberry with the redness quality that
can be scanned into the robot, it follows that the combination of the
robot and the Polaroid camera is conscious like a human. At some
point, whether it be in the eyeball or the brain, an essential quality
has to become bits and bytes because that is what the computational in
"computational binding" means right? Does it really matter where it
happens?
You want to believe that the essential quality of redness somehow gets
computationally bound to glutamate or some other physical molecule.
But molecules are not essential, they are structures built of atoms.
So if one non-essential structure can be computationally bound to the
redness quality, then why couldn't some other non-essential structure
serve equally well? Like the cellular structure in the brain that
Rafal pointed out to you?The rosettes in the fusiform gyrus of the
brain.
Stuart LaForge
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