[ExI] after upload, what?

Tue Feb 13 03:31:10 UTC 2024

It can defend itself if it is instantiated into multiple computationally
bound brains.
If one of them accidentally falls into the sun, or gets hacked by
some incompetent neural engineer, you just spin up another, and
computationally bind to it to be sure it is the same,
all the phenomenal data restored.

You just need lots of cheap copies.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 6:50 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Once you're uploaded, /someone/ will be able to change every parameter of
> your subjective conscious experience.
>
> If they're spectacularly nice, they may even give you permission to do so.
>
> But if they withold that permission, there will be absolutely nothing you
> can do about it.
>
> Furthermore, they will retain the option to modify you in any way they see
> fit. With or without your permission.
>
> Data can't defend itself.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 5:38 PM Keith Henson via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> This topic has been discussed for a long time, Drexler wrote about it
>> and so did Marvin Minsky.  I think I wrote about but can't find
>> anything with the phrase "without getting lost."
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 4:01 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yea, your talking consciousness or phenomenal (or "spiritual" if you
>> will) engineering.
>> > And you'll be able to do all these kinds of things you guys are talking
>> about.
>> > Right now we don't have true free will, we get joy from things like
>> having sex.  And we need to try to resist those hard wired temptations,
>> when sex isn't appropriate.
>> > But true free will is having the ability to cut those puppet strings
>> given to us by evolution (or God?) and wire joys like that up to what we
>> want to do.
>> > Emagine when you need to take the garbage out, and you can wire it up
>> to be orgasmic. ;)
>> >
>> > Oh, and the current "world in your head" this is our knowledge of what
>> we see, is only about a mile or so in diameter, and very low resolution,
>> and composed of only a few color qualities.  Emagine discovering thousands
>> more color qualities, increasing the resolution, and extents of that bubble
>> world by many orders of magnitude.
>> >
>> > And of course, there is using neural ponytails to "computationally bind
>> multiple bubble worlds together in multiple brains.
>> >
>> >
>> > 100 years from now, once we start doing phenomenal engineering like
>> this humanity, as we know it, will cease to exist.
>> > Intelligence will be a very different thing.
>> >
>> > Our team, including Steven Lehar, are working on more videos on just
>> this topic.  Describing in detail what uploading could be engineered to be
>> like, and all that.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 3:19 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 09/02/2024 22:48, bill w wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am assuming that an uploaded person can change the programming - the
>> parameters.  So how can that work?
>> >> Suppose one could change the enjoyment of chocolate to the most intense
>> >> pleasure possible - like dumping a ton of dopamine into a brain.  What
>> >> would happen?  A biological body would adapt and inhibit extreme
>> >> reactions and probably develop an addiction and tolerance.  Not in an
>> >> upload. You could presumably make every pleasure as intense as
>> >> possible.
>> >> If you read the news and there was a disaster you could turn off any
>> >> negative emotions and just note that news cognitively - no empathy at
>> >> all. No feeling bad.
>> >> Is that what people want?  bill w
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ask the opposite question: Suppose an uploaded person could not change
>> things like their level of enjoyment (or its opposite) of specific things,
>> and they couldn't modulate their emotional responses. Would that be what
>> people want? Being stuck with the way you were as a biological brain?
>> >>
>> >> I envisage something like an 'emotional control panel' that allows you
>> to change your emotional states, with the ability to create a whole bunch
>> of macros that could, for instance, record the previous settings and revert
>> to them when needed, so you could try out different settings and have them
>> return to 'normal' after a set period of time, for example. This would
>> enable you to safely experiment with changing things, and decide what you
>> want to be like without risking diving down a rabbit hole with no way out.
>> There is tons of potential with that kind of thing. Naturally, the
>> potential for bad outcomes is huge if you could just change these things at
>> will, so safety mechanisms, automatic backup and restore, that sort of
>> thing, would be needed to make sure you don't accidentally turn into a
>> hopeless junkie, a psychopath, etc., etc., and could make deliberate
>> decisions based on temporary experiments with various states of mind.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I think that an upload without these kind of capabilities
>> would be crippled, in terms of disabling a lot of the potential benefits of
>> being an upload.
>> >>
>> >> In addition, this kind of thing will probably be necessary for taking
>> the next steps beyond just replicating a biological human's mentality. Part
>> of the whole point of uploading would be to enable us to go above and
>> beyond being merely human, if and when we want to.
>> >>
>> >> Ben
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