[ExI] uploads and mariachi bands

[Adrian Tymes]

Agreed.  But a real experience of an illusion is not itself an illusion of
an experience.

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 10:45 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> It’s a real experience of an illusion but it’s not a real experience of
> that which the illusion represents.
>
> On Feb 13, 2024, at 08:17, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> 
> If one experiences an illusion, is not one's experience itself real even
> if the thing that was experienced was an illusion?
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:07 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> No one can have an experience at Will if the circumstances of that
>> experience aren’t real; they can only have the illusion of an experience.
>>
>> You could recreate a memory or a fantasy of hearing a mariachi band but
>> unless the band of other people were there, you’d not be experiencing the
>> band itself only the simulacra of the band.
>>
>> A painting is not the thing it portrays.
>>
>> > On Feb 13, 2024, at 02:17, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> >> On 13/02/2024 00:37, spike wrote:
>> >> For instance… what if… I upload, and realize I never have experiences
>> >> like one I remember with crystal vision, the way I felt in Feb 2024 at
>> >> Berkeley, listening to a mariachi band musically seduce young ladies
>> >> into situations where a next generation of meat-being is given a
>> chance
>> >> to come into existence?  Regardless of how good that uploaded
>> existence
>> >> is, Imagine I miss that Berkeley mariachi feeling so much, I want to
>> see
>> >>  to it that the feelings I had yesterday are given a chance to be felt
>> >> again, into the future, indefinitely.
>> >
>> > Spike, what would prevent you, as an upload, having these experiences?
>> >
>> > If you realise you happen to never have any experiences you recall
>> having as a biological being, you can arrange to have them again, at will,
>> as an upload.
>> >
>> > If some mariachi band and a suitable couple haven't also uploaded, or
>> have moved on from those behaviours, you could always recreate the
>> experiences you were missing in your own mind. I see no reason anyone would
>> not be able to have any experiences they wanted to, as an upload. Just as
>> we currently have AI systems that you can give a description to, and they
>> can create an image, still or moving, of what you've asked for, I expect
>> there will be systems that can take a memory and turn it into an
>> interactive experience for uploads.
>> >
>> > I fully expect that uploads will be able to have any experience any
>> un-uploaded person can have, and then some.
>> >
>> > Ben
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