[Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
Gerry Reinhart-Waller
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Sun Aug 21 16:09:10 UTC 2005
Not such a bad idea. Yet immigrants are flowing into America while U.S.
manufacturing has gone to cheaper foreign locales.
Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Christian Rauh wrote:
> Free flow of people should be tied to free flow of capital, let the
> market equalize things.
>
> Christian
>
> Gerry Reinhart-Waller wrote:
>
>> I think all of us grew up with grandparents or such who arrived in
>> the U.S. expecting to be part of the great melting pot that America
>> offered. Today, thoughts of merging have been replaced by ethnic
>> diversity. What ethnic divisions create is group hatred, one for
>> another. That's what is responsible for the crumbling of our society.
>>
>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>>
>> Steve Hovland wrote:
>>
>>> It's eroding our society.
>>>
>>> I personally believe in the melting pot, not "diversity."
>>>
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
>>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual
>>> Labor In Wisconsin
>>>
>>> More thanks for Frank's efforts. This is exactly right. The
>>> fast-food restaurant where I get my lunch salad used to be staffed
>>> by ordinary causasians, often with obvious mild retardation. They
>>> were good workers, and I enjoyed them. Now I can barely understand
>>> the girl at the register and sometimes I have to ask her to say it
>>> in Spanish because her English is so poor. I am deeply discouraged
>>> and disillusioned by President Bush's attitude about illegal
>>> emmigration.
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Premise Checker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>>> http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002938.html#002938
>>>>
>>>> 2005 August 14 Sunday
>>>> Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>>>
>>>> Over at [9]No Speed Bumps Dan reports on how [10]during a vacation
>>>> trip in Wisconsin he found white people doing all the manual labor
>>>> jobs that are done by Hispanics in Texas.
>>>>
>>>> Two weeks ago I vacationed near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. One thing
>>>> strikingly different than living in Texas was that there were few
>>>> Hispanics. In Texas, Hispanics are found in all walks of life,
>>>> from
>>>> doctors to janitors.
>>>>
>>>> With so many impoverished Hispanics illegally moving to Texas over
>>>> the southern border each year, they have taken over most of the
>>>> lower-skill jobs because they will work for less than American
>>>> citizens. Go to any restaurant, hotel, or construction site and
>>>> all
>>>> of the basic manual labor tasks are being done by low-income
>>>> Hispanics.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, while on vacation, in the hotels we stayed in all of the
>>>> maid staff and other help were white. The same was true of all of
>>>> the restaurants we ate in, from the cooks, to the bus boys, to the
>>>> grounds keepers. I felt like we were in a time machine and in a
>>>> strange land.
>>>>
>>>> An interesting note about the maid staff at the hotels was the
>>>> good
>>>> cheer that they were in. They were constantly chatting among
>>>> themselves and seemed very content as they went about their work.
>>>> This reminded me that, yes, there is dignity to manual labor, and
>>>> yes, white people can still do manual labor.
>>>>
>>>> This runs counter to the fashionable argument today justifying the
>>>> open border policy with Mexico. The argument goes that America
>>>> could just not function without all of the low-skill workers
>>>> coming
>>>> in to do all of the manual labor. Well, that is ridiculous. It may
>>>> drive prices up some, if American citizens (whether white, black,
>>>> or any other race) must do the work but the work will still get
>>>> done, one way or another.
>>>>
>>>> One of the big whopper lies told by open borders advocates such as
>>>> George W. Bush is that there are "jobs that Americans won't do".
>>>> This
>>>> is nonsense. One only need travel to those places where the bulk of
>>>> the population is still white to see that this claim is false
>>>> propaganda.
>>>>
>>>> As for the argument that a lack of cheap immigrant labor will
>>>> drive up
>>>> prices, it rests on three fallacies:
>>>> * That low skilled labor makes up much of total costs. Wrong-o
>>>> sleigh bell lovers. The bottom quintile of the United States
>>>> population earns [11]only 3.5% of national income. 20% get 3.5%.
>>>> If we deported all the illegal aliens and stopped all low
>>>> skiilled
>>>> and moderate skilled immigration the bottom 20% would see some
>>>> significant increase in their wages. But that increase would be
>>>> unlikely raise total prices by even a couple of percent. We
>>>> don't
>>>> pay them that much. A 10% or 20% increase in their salaries
>>>> won't
>>>> matter much to the rest of the population.
>>>> * That there are no substitutes for cheap labor. Again, wrong-o
>>>> sleigh bell lovers. Necessity is the mother of invention. In all
>>>> likelihood, faced with higher labor costs industry would be more
>>>> eager to develop and buy more capital equipment and to
>>>> arrange the
>>>> methods of purveying goods and services to decrease the
>>>> amount of
>>>> labor needed. In fact, we have an example available for what the
>>>> lack of cheap immigrant labor will do to an industry. [12]The
>>>> Australian wine industry is more automated than the American
>>>> wine
>>>> industry due to lack of cheap immigrant labor in Australia. Ben
>>>> Franklin was right. We'd advance more rapidly without simple
>>>> minds
>>>> available to do simple tasks cheaply.
>>>> * That there are no external costs to cheap unskilled immigrant
>>>> labor. And once again, wrong-o sleigh bell lovers. Low skilled
>>>> laborers can not afford to pay for their own medical care. They
>>>> don't pay enough in taxes to pay for the educations of their
>>>> children. They do not make enough to pay for their
>>>> retirements in
>>>> the United States. The list goes on. Oh, and they commit
>>>> crime at
>>>> higher rates. So they cost crime victims and also the criminal
>>>> justice system. A year for an inmate at Rikers Island in New
>>>> York
>>>> costs $47,000. Criminals are expensive for the rest of us in
>>>> many
>>>> ways.
>>>>
>>>> The Open Borders advocates are deeply dishonest. America's elites
>>>> are
>>>> corrupt. They lie. They can not be trusted. America is going down a
>>>> very wrong path. Our leaders in business and politics are to blame.
>>>> But so are apathetic members of the public. It is time to wake up
>>>> and
>>>> demand a stop to massive immigration. The costs have become far too
>>>> high and will be with us for decades to come.
>>>> By Randall Parker at 2005 August 14 06:44 PM [13]Immigration
>>>> Economics | [14]TrackBack
>>>> Comments
>>>>
>>>> in vermont too. many more latinos work in oregon than 10 years ago
>>>> though, and i hear that similar things are going on in the south. i
>>>> suspect that for a variety of reasons the upper midwest and new
>>>> england (distance, climate, cost of living) will resist latino labor
>>>> the longest.
>>>> Posted by: [15]razib on August 14, 2005 08:55 PM
>>>>
>>>> Resistance is futile. Viva La Rasa.
>>>> Posted by: [16]Mark on August 14, 2005 10:59 PM
>>>>
>>>> There would be a net savings from reversing the antimerit immigrant
>>>> flow, some of which would be passed on to the consumers. If the
>>>> bottom
>>>> 20% gets paid so little that their wages could double without the
>>>> rich
>>>> even noticing it, shifting 4% of the total income away from the top
>>>> 80% over several years, that is a worthwhile price to pay. There
>>>> is no
>>>> economic need to increase the size of the bottom end; it isn't about
>>>> money, it's about power. How to get power, when there are no ideas;
>>>> won't they use immigration to increase racial conflict, and say that
>>>> officials must have more power?
>>>> Posted by: [17]John S Bolton on August 14, 2005 11:26 PM
>>>>
>>>> For some reason my trackbacks to this post don't take, so ping!
>>>> Posted by: [18]Dave Schuler on August 15, 2005 07:47 AM
>>>>
>>>> Eastern Washington, North Idaho, and Montana are alot like Wisconsin
>>>> in that low end labor jobs are done primarly by whites. We have very
>>>> few illegal aliens in this part of the country. This is good because
>>>> we have much less of the "servant" culture that you see in
>>>> California
>>>> and other places. People clean their own homes and often do their
>>>> own
>>>> yard work. If you have someone else do these things, they are
>>>> done by
>>>> outside services operating more like independent business people
>>>> rather than as "domestics". Not having the illegal immigrants means
>>>> that we have a much more "do it yourself" mentality than, say, in
>>>> Southern California.
>>>>
>>>> I do not like that "class" mentality that illegal immigration has
>>>> produced in places like California and Texas. I think having
>>>> distinct
>>>> social classes, especially if they are of different races, is very
>>>> destructive to the future of the U.S. The "open-borders" people need
>>>> to be grilled over this issue.
>>>> Posted by: [19]Kurt on August 15, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>
>>>> razib - don't underestimate the number of mexicans in the upper
>>>> midwest - chicago has the 2nd highest mexican population in the u.s.
>>>> after l.a. granted this isn't wisconsin, but....
>>>>
>>>> randall - in a similar, practical manner that you approach
>>>> alternative
>>>> energy solutions, i.e. can't tell people to drive less or other
>>>> inconveniences that would be a political non-starter in america
>>>> today;
>>>> what would be your political platform for immigration that would be
>>>> politically feasible? i would love to know what you'd recommend,
>>>> having put considerable thought to this issue, assuming something
>>>> like
>>>> you were an advisor to your senator. thanks.
>>>> Posted by: [20]Jim on August 15, 2005 01:22 PM
>>>>
>>>> I spent a few days in Sierra Vista, AZ, a booming town about 15
>>>> miles
>>>> north of the Mexican border. Strikingly, the maids in my motel were
>>>> white, as were a lot of the other service workers. The answer to
>>>> this
>>>> paradox is that Sierra Vista is within the narrow band heavily
>>>> policed
>>>> by the Border Patrol. If illegal aliens are found there, they are
>>>> deported. But if they make it far enough north to Tucson or Phoenix,
>>>> well, they're Ollie Ollie Home Free.
>>>> Posted by: [21]Steve Sailer on August 15, 2005 02:03 PM
>>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I don't understand your question. Politically feasible? I
>>>> think a candidate for the Presidency could run on a platform to
>>>> deport
>>>> all the illegals and win. The dollar cost to the government of
>>>> deporting all the illegals would be pretty low.
>>>>
>>>> The anger about the immigrant deluge is building. But politicians
>>>> are
>>>> chasing the votes of Hispanics, the Democrats see them as a solid
>>>> Democrat voting bloc (and they are), and some business interests
>>>> want
>>>> cheap labor.
>>>>
>>>> I'd tell a US Senator to submit a bill to fund a barrier along the
>>>> entire length of the border. I'd also propose upping the number of
>>>> Border Patrol by 20,000 and setting them loose in the interior with
>>>> orders to round up all illegals. Congress should give
>>>> instructions to
>>>> DHS to resume interior enforcement.
>>>> Posted by: [22]Randall Parker on August 15, 2005 03:33 PM
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 9. http://nospeedbumps.com/
>>>> 10. http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=334
>>>> 11. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1791.cfm
>>>> 12. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002778.html
>>>> 13. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_immigration_economics.html
>>>> 14.
>>>> http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=2938
>>>> 15. http://www.gnxp.com/
>>>> 16. mailto:dfsf at hotmail.com
>>>> 17. http://www.johnsbolton.net/
>>>> 18. http://www.theglitteringeye.com/
>>>> 19. mailto:kurt2100kimo at yahoo.com.tw
>>>> 20. mailto:knuckleballnews at yahoo.com
>>>> 21. http://www.iSteve.com/
>>>> 22. http://futurepundit.com/
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