[extropy-chat] European Free State Project

[Dirk Bruere]

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From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
To: "Dirk Bruere" <dirk at neopax.com>; "ExI chat list"
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Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] European Free State Project


>
> --- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
>
> > I certainly have no objections to such projects, but the levels of
> > success
> > required by the Consensus v establishing a libertarian nation are
> > vastly different esp in Europe.
> > With 5000 members the Consensus could do a great deal.
> > However, for the other project to succeed they need *millions* of
> > committed people all in the same place.
>
> Well, no, actually. Suggest you read Jason Soren's original paper. All
> they need are 20,000 members in a state of less than 1.5 million
> population to have a significant impact.
>
> In fact, there are actually a lot more good candidates than we have had
> here in the US, for example Andorra only has a population of 72,000.
> Gibraltar is only 29,000 (and Sean Hastings is going to be building his
> Seastead there). Guernsey and Alderney is 63,000. Iceland is 294,000.
> Jersey is 88,000. Lichtenstein is 34,600. Estonia is 1.268 million.
> Malta is 383,000. Isle of Man is 77,500. Monaco is 33,800. San Marino
> is 28,400. Slovenia is just over the mark at 1.95 million. Svalbard and
> Jan Mayen is 2,200.
>
> If you go by proportionality of 20,000 FSP members to 1.5 million Free
> State population, then the needed EFSP members to effect similar
> libertarian change would be, for each of the candidates above:
>
> State                Needed EFSP Members
> Andorra              960
> Gibraltar            387
> Guernsey & Alderney  840
> Iceland              3920
> Jersey               1174
> Lichtenstein         462
> Estonia              16907
> Malta                1107
> San Marino           379
> Isle of Man          1034
> Monaco               451
> Slovenia             26000
> Svalbard & Jan Mayen 29
>
> And these are just nations IN europe. There are also territories of
> european nations all around the world as well that range from spits to
> uninhabited atolls to major colonial posessions. This is also just
> looking at whole countries rather than just departments or provinces,
> etc. There are also a large number of allodial freeholds still held in
> feudal tenancy.
>
> Just looking at the population numbers, I would say that if an EFSP can
> get going, there are some really good potential locations. From these
> candidates, all that they really need to do is figure out which ones
> are already the most libertarian

I think that is hopelessly optimistic.
At the very least you are going to need more hardcore libertarians than
people on welfare, not to mention conservatives and socialists who will
disagree on fundamental issues.

Dirk

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