[extropy-chat] Europe vs America (was Depressing thought....)

[JDP]

Giu1i0 Pri5c0 a écrit (12.11.2003/08:22) :
> 
> I definitely do not want to say to the weak "find a way to make yourself
> useful or die" because it is a disgusting thing to say to a conscious being.

Yes, this is why I phrased it in that way, to make its disgusting
character obvious.

> I know many "weak" people who would not make it in the hypercompetitive
> society that you seem to advocate,
> -snip

Not at all what I meant nor advocate. In fact, in the last sentence of
my paragraph that you quoted below, I said I found it reasonable to be
apalled that anyone should work hard the whole day just to sustain
themselves.

No, what I meant (and I think, said), is that putting the pressure of
liberty-responsability on individuals begets collective prosperity.
It's as simple as that. So you have to make your choices taking this
into account.

>From an extropian perspective, I think at this point we can still use
a lot of that competition-induced creativity. Hopefully when we have
extreme life extension we can relax a bit (and we aren't too busy with
defense).

You don't show your generosity by denying the correlation, which is a
fact. You show it by making political choices that take into account
this correlation, or by personal, non-political choices.

I am quite worried at the misunderstanding, as I think you got an
image of me which is quite contrary to what I really am. Thanks for
voicing your (mistaken in the instance) indignation, hopefully I
managed to be better understood this time.

Jacques


> Jacques said :
> >
> > Here's my current view of things: Liberty and responsability directly
> > correlate with collective prosperity through creative competition. If
> > you are not sure you want to say to the weak: "find a way to make
> > yourself useful or die", and to the strong: "you're welcome to become
> > a half-god by accumulating wealth", because you value equality, and
> > the support of the weak, you can do it, but it will lower collective
> > prosperity. Even in France, there are many people who work very hard
> > the whole day only to sustain themselves. I find it reasonable to be
> > appalled at it.
> 
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