[extropy-chat] The Consensus

[Dirk Bruere]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
To: "Dirk Bruere" <dirk at neopax.com>; "ExI chat list"
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] The Consensus


>
> --- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
> > > Alex, being a denizen of Britain, which is under assault nationwide
> > by
> > > the criminal class liberated by victim disarmament laws, suffers
> > from a
> > > popular notion that criminals are the product of society and that
> > they
> > > deserve "a fair go" in getting away with their crimes.
> >
> >
> > Live here do you?
> > While our crime is high our murder rate is only a fraction of that of
> > the US.
> > Ditto rapes.
> > And innocent people who get shot in the course of a crime still make
> > national headlines here. Do they in the US?
>
> England -- Licenses have been required for rifles and handguns since
> 1920, and for shotguns since 1967. A decade ago semi-automatic and
> pump-action center-fire rifles, and all handguns except single- shot
> .22s, were prohibited. The .22s were banned in 1997. Shotguns must be
> registered and semi-automatic shotguns that can hold more than two
> shells must be licensed. Despite a near ban on private ownership of
> firearms, "English crime rates as measured in both victim surveys and
> police statistics have all risen since 1981. . . . In 1995 the English


And were rising long before 1981.
BTW, ever wonder why in a society so violent as ours we don't translate that
into your style of murder rate?

Dirk

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