[extropy-chat] RE: freezing frogs & brain freeze helmet & Rip Van Winkle Pets

Mon Dec 13 14:34:46 UTC 2004

Seriously,  between the fish anti-freeze proteins, conventional 
solvents/cryo adjuvants , anti neural oxidative deterioration chemical 
prepping and the frog chemistry there should be good fuel to improve 
upon the cryo art.

At very least lets get some groundhogs frozen over a winter and bring 
"Punksatoney Pete" back with a real bang to
see his shadow.  Then follow the little beasties through a year and 
freeze the whole family.
Procreate them a couple of generations to increase the numbers  and sell 
50% off to chinese customers as "Rip Van winkle"
designer pets.  The Chinese have a fondness for gophers as pets.  Make 
pet cryonics a money making  cottage industry.
Remember Artificial Insemination  was used for cows for decades before 
it arrived on the people scene.

By the way I saw a story on a sat feed about 20 years ago of a CO2 
cooled helmet to rapidly cool the brain
to beat  the 4 minute factor from body temp to 32.

If that plus a tank of Ice Water was set so the cryonaut or his/hers 
appointed pushed the process start button
one might hope to have the body in a condition where is could be easily 
resuscitated .
If one is terminal with less than a couple of months left that would be 
a better time to start the process than after
the body has shut itself down naturally.

MFJ

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	RE: [extropy-chat] freezing frogs
Date: 	Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:32:15 -0800
From: 	spike <spike66 at comcast.net>
Reply-To: 	ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
To: 	andrew at ceruleansystems.com, 'ExI chat list' 
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>

Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] freezing frogs

> Anyone here live in the Virginia area, could you
> find one of these guys, or preferrably a breeding
> pair?  Or failing that, does anyone here know where
> we could buy some of these things?  I can think of a
> lot of experiments I would like to do on them.

Just admit it Spike, you want to use them as ice cubes for cocktail parties.
So much entertainment value to be had here...

j. andrew rogers

Well yes, I did say "a lot of experiments."  The old 
frog-in-the-punchbowl trick would be a terrific party
gag.  (Hey cool, unintended double meaning.)  {8^D

I want to get a bunch of them, freeze them all at the
same time, then thaw one out each day to see if there
is a time limit.  Do they get freezer burn?  Do they
take on the flavor of other foods?  Can you take them
down to lower temps than the freezer?  Will houseguests
gross out?  Can you refreeze them?  How many times?
What if you set the freezer to just below freezing,
can you leave them longer?  Does it matter if they
freeze quickly or slowly?  How cold can we make them
and still get them back?  Can we thaw them in the
microwave?  Can we freeze the frog eggs?  Can we take
them to liquid nitrogen temperatures?  That kinda stuff.  
You can see why these are important questions.

spike

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