Israel and Palestine was RE: [extropy-chat] ENOUGH already

[Paul Grant]

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> The Palestinians, having been deprived of statehood by force, are not 
> and cannot be a "high contracting party".
> 

When did the Palestinians ever have a state to begin with?  Egypt nor
any other Arab country didn't see fit to give em one.

=> Why not have the US open its borders and give them New Jersey, while
you're at it, if you are so eager to condemn Arab nations for refusing
to take in an ENTIRE populace (I would have said country, but i had a
feeling you would object) of refugees.  Incidentally, they were living
SOMEWHERE prior to the formation and establishment of Israel as it
currently stands.

Lets not forget to add to this discussion that Arafat wants to be an
Arab dictator of his own (why not, all other Arab countries are ruled by
oppressive theocrats and dictators, obvious exception of Iraq now, why
cant he have one!) 

=> Last I checked, when the US attempted to have him replaced, they
found him to be impossible to remove because of popular support for him.
Incidentally, both Iraq and Egypt (both US-backed) have presidents who
are "elected" but
DO NOT have popular support.  I might even go further to add that
Israel, a US-backed "democracy" currently has a
large population that is living in the equivalent of interment camps.

That Arafat and the PA enforce by brutal methods that no Muslim should
ever live under the rule of a Jew, 
=> I agree with his assement.  It should be a true democracy comprised
of both Jews and Palestinians.

and use brainwashing children to turn them into bombs to accomplish this
goal.  
=>Ah the marvels of propoganda :) Denigrate the oppositions
thinking-capability.
Perhaps the children are seeing more clearly what is occurring than the
eyes
of the west?  I mean, they do live in that situation 24-7; its not like
the media
has a chance to squash the stories that comprise their lives.

Witness the Palestinian people who desire to live under Israel but are
attacked by the PA.  
=> Provide some links please :) I'm always willing to learn something
new in the course of a discussion.

"End the unjust Jewish occupation of Arab land!"
http://www.protestwarrior.com/images/tshirts/muslim_land.jpg
=> Hmm.. Unjust, Jewish-occupied, Arab land... hmmmm. Where's the
problem with that statement?

The worst villain in the Palestine Israel conflict is the noble peace
prize winning murderous terrorist Arafat.
=> I note, Sharon "the Butcher" hasn't gotten any kudos over his reign.

Michael Dickey


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