[extropy-chat] Driver safety and the immortalist

Acy James Stapp astapp at fizzfactorgames.com
Thu Jul 8 16:05:49 UTC 2004

My best guess, based on observation of SUVs driving around Austin, is around 1.1.

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org on behalf of Kevin Freels 
	Sent: Thu 7/8/2004 11:06 AM 
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	Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Driver safety and the immortalist

	Have any of the studies taken the increased passenger capacity of an SUV
	into consideration ? My Miata carries two people, so the most I could kill
	in a single vehicle crash is two. Many SUVs can kill up to 8 people in a
	single-vehicle crash. A collision between the two could kill up to 16.
	Does anyone know what the average passenger count is in an SUV?
	----- Original Message -----
	From: "BillK" <pharos at gmail.com>
	To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
	Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:54 AM
	Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Driver safety and the immortalist
	> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:50:58 -0700, Spike <spike66 at comcast.net> wrote:
	> >
	> > Even the most hardcore libertarian can see that it would
	> > be a bargain to use public funds to repair the hole.  But
	> > if the government raises taxes then still refuses to
	> > resurface the roads, the best course of action is for the
	> > frustrated masses to buy the biggest rudest ugliest jacked up
	> > humvee available, then go out gleefully looking for holes
	> > to run over (muaaahahahahahahahaaaa, take THAT, you hole!).
	> >
	> It seems to me that blaming bad weather and bad roads for the poor
	> accident record of SUVs is stretching the point a bit.
	> Car drivers take more care in bad weather. SUVs may make drivers
	> over-confident and too reckless in bad weather.
	> But the big problem with SUVs seems to be roll-overs.
	> >From <http://www.saferoads.org/issues/fs-rollover.htm> --
	> Rollover crashes are the leading cause of fatalities in SUVs. Rollovers
	> are among the most dangerous types of vehicle crashes because of the
	> high incidence of occupant ejection and head injuries. SUVs are more
	> prone to rollover than other vehicle types, due to their higher ground
	> clearance and narrow width, which tend to make these vehicles top-heavy
	> and more likely to roll over in crashes. (NHTSA)
	> In single vehicle crashes, 79 percent of the fatalities among SUV
	> occupants involve rollover. Single-vehicle rollover crashes produced
	> more than 50 percent of all occupant deaths in SUVs compared to 34
	> percent in pickup trucks and 19 percent in cars. (IIHS)
	> Lighter SUVs are disproportionately involved in fatal rollover crashes,
	> with a rate that is more than 6 times as high as that in the largest
	> cars. (IIHS)
	> For heavier SUVs, those weighing more than 5,000 pounds, nearly 4 out of
	> every 5 occupant crash deaths (78 percent) occur in single-vehicle
	> rollovers. (NHTSA)
	> In 2001, 35 percent of all SUVs involved in fatal crashes experienced a
	> rollover. The second most rollover prone vehicles were pickup trucks (25
	> percent), followed by vans (19 percent) and, finally, passenger cars (16
	> percent). (NHTSA)
	> A disproportionately high level of rollover related fatalities
	> characterizes SUV crashes - the SUV is the only vehicle type in which
	> the number of occupant deaths in rollovers exceeds the number of
	> occupant deaths in non-rollover crashes. In 2002, almost two-thirds of
	> occupant fatalities in SUV crashes occurred in rollovers. (NHTSA)
	> BillK
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