[extropy-chat] FSP: Killington Votes to Secede

[Mike Lorrey]

This may be the case for states to secede from the union. This is not
the issue at hand. The issue is whether one town can secede from its
state as a result of the injustice of the state government, and rejoin
a state it had once belonged to. In the case of Killington, it joined
Vermont under the original VT Constitution, which stated in its
preamble that all VT towns belonged to NH by right and had been
unjustly taken by New York by an act of King George.

The NH Constitution recognises the legal right of both revolt and
secession, a necessary precursor to Vermont's act in seceding from it,
and being recognised as a natural right here in NH, it did not become
alienated from the towns and people of Vermont, whether or not they
continue to recognise them. The very act of Vermonts towns seceding to
form their own republic in 1777 is the precedent at stake here. For if
secession is not a right, then Vermont's secession was illegitimate,
and rightly belongs to NH anyways. If Vermont's secession is
legitimate, then secession is a right, and Killington can rejoin NH if
it so chooses.

Both sides of the argument can be used to support Killington's
assertion.

That being said, Killington is NOT acting as though it has the right to
secede. It is petitioning the legislature of Vermont, the legislature
of NH (I have house reps who've already agreed to sponsor their
petition) and the US Congress. This is not a new process, it is one we
in the Upper Valley have pioneered on two previous occasions. This area
is home to the only two interstate school districts in the world, which
required a degree of secession by towns on both sides in order to
effect, as well as the approvals of the legislatures of both states as
well as congress.

--- Karen Rand Smigrodzki <Karen at Smigrodzki.org> wrote:
> 
> The USSCT has held that there is no right to secession for states.
> See posts
> on this list by me on the topic of secession from about a year ago.
> In those
> I include the reference to the case, and to a leading legal scholar
> who
> wrote on the topic (Cass Sunstein).
> 
> Karen
> 
> 
> "Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
> - Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking
> that
> he renounce Satan.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adrian Tymes" <wingcat at pacbell.net>
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] FSP: Killington Votes to Secede
> 
> 
> > --- Technotranscendence <neptune at superlink.net> wrote:
> > > I know this is in Vermont, but I wonder about
> > > similar legal processes in
> > > other states of the US.  It might be yet another way
> > > to alter the
> > > system...
> >
> > I can tell you flat out it couldn't succeed in
> > California.  True, some of the cities were founded
> > before California (some of them were founded when this
> > was still Mexico), but the state has explicit legal
> > soverignity over all cities, counties, and other such
> > governments within its geographic boundaries.  I
> > suspect the same applies to, at least, most states on
> > or near the Pacific, if not all states in the US
> > period.
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> "Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
> - Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking
> that
> he renounce Satan.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adrian Tymes" <wingcat at pacbell.net>
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] FSP: Killington Votes to Secede
> 
> 
> > --- Technotranscendence <neptune at superlink.net> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:42 PM Adrian Tymes
> > > wingcat at pacbell.net
> > > wrote:
> > > >> I know this is in Vermont, but I wonder about
> > > >> similar legal processes in
> > > >> other states of the US.  It might be yet another
> > > way
> > > >> to alter the system...
> > > >
> > > > I can tell you flat out it couldn't succeed in
> > > > California.
> > >
> > > There is a name for this legal impossibility in
> > > California.  I believe
> > > it's called the San Fernando Valley, which is trying
> > > to seceded
> > > legally.:)
> >
> > I never said some couldn't try.  Nor even that they
> > might end up with a semi-autonomous arrangement that
> > might prove good enough.  Just that they won't fully
> > succeed in secession.  ^_-
> >
> > > I suspect even when the State government has
> > > "soverignity" over all
> > > smaller governmental units, there are ways to secede
> > > within the
> > > jurisdiction of the State government.  This is how
> > > many municipalities
> > > break away from others, no?
> >
> > In those cases, the higher power (California state, in
> > the case) gives its approval.  The federal government
> > of the United States has stated that it would not
> > support the breakup of a state.  (Exceptions in cases
> > like Texas, which had in the contract that brought it
> > into the US a clause that let it break up at a later
> > date if it chooses to do so.  There might possibly be
> > arguments for something like this in the original 13
> > colonies, or maybe some states added soon thereafter,
> > but not by the time of California's incorporation.)
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Mike Lorrey
Chairman, Free Town Land Development
"Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
                                       - Gen. John Stark
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