[extropy-chat] FSP: Killington Votes to Secede

Karen Rand Smigrodzki Karen at Smigrodzki.org
Thu Mar 4 17:36:58 UTC 2004


The USSCT has held that there is no right to secession for states. See posts
on this list by me on the topic of secession from about a year ago. In those
I include the reference to the case, and to a leading legal scholar who
wrote on the topic (Cass Sunstein).

Karen


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- Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking that
he renounce Satan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Tymes" <wingcat at pacbell.net>
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] FSP: Killington Votes to Secede


> --- Technotranscendence <neptune at superlink.net> wrote:
> > I know this is in Vermont, but I wonder about
> > similar legal processes in
> > other states of the US.  It might be yet another way
> > to alter the
> > system...
>
> I can tell you flat out it couldn't succeed in
> California.  True, some of the cities were founded
> before California (some of them were founded when this
> was still Mexico), but the state has explicit legal
> soverignity over all cities, counties, and other such
> governments within its geographic boundaries.  I
> suspect the same applies to, at least, most states on
> or near the Pacific, if not all states in the US
> period.
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"Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
- Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking that
he renounce Satan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Tymes" <wingcat at pacbell.net>
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] FSP: Killington Votes to Secede


> --- Technotranscendence <neptune at superlink.net> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:42 PM Adrian Tymes
> > wingcat at pacbell.net
> > wrote:
> > >> I know this is in Vermont, but I wonder about
> > >> similar legal processes in
> > >> other states of the US.  It might be yet another
> > way
> > >> to alter the system...
> > >
> > > I can tell you flat out it couldn't succeed in
> > > California.
> >
> > There is a name for this legal impossibility in
> > California.  I believe
> > it's called the San Fernando Valley, which is trying
> > to seceded
> > legally.:)
>
> I never said some couldn't try.  Nor even that they
> might end up with a semi-autonomous arrangement that
> might prove good enough.  Just that they won't fully
> succeed in secession.  ^_-
>
> > I suspect even when the State government has
> > "soverignity" over all
> > smaller governmental units, there are ways to secede
> > within the
> > jurisdiction of the State government.  This is how
> > many municipalities
> > break away from others, no?
>
> In those cases, the higher power (California state, in
> the case) gives its approval.  The federal government
> of the United States has stated that it would not
> support the breakup of a state.  (Exceptions in cases
> like Texas, which had in the contract that brought it
> into the US a clause that let it break up at a later
> date if it chooses to do so.  There might possibly be
> arguments for something like this in the original 13
> colonies, or maybe some states added soon thereafter,
> but not by the time of California's incorporation.)
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