[extropy-chat] Aw Nuts! Bush Wins...

Samantha Atkins sjatkins at gmail.com
Wed Nov 3 19:54:06 UTC 2004


You know, at the moment I don't have a bit of patience for the same
lies that I have heard for months.  Just stop.


On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:46:19 -0600, Kevin Freels
<cmcmortgage at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This is so simple that I don;t know why people here don;t get it.
> If Kerry actually believed what he says, and his future actions could be
> easily predicted, he wouldn't have had a problem. It seems like everyone
> here but MIke Lorrey compares Bush's policies with what Kerry says his
> policies would be. This comparison is made while ignoring the fact that John
> Kerry doesn;t have a clue where he stands on any of the issues. He says what
> he thinks people want to hear to elect him and you fall for it every time.
> He flips and flops. The bottom line is that he is unpredictable. If he had
> said "I am going to pull out of Iraq and put that money into MNT", you would
> be excited, but do you honestly think he would follow through? If you
> actually think that he would do as he says, you are basing that on faith (or
> something like it) instead of logic.
> 
> The fact is, no matter how much I dislike many of Bush's policies, I can
> predict what he is going to do. I know where he stands. There are many
> places where I am at odds with him, particularly stem cell research,
> cloning, foreign policy, and gay marriage. But for all I know, Kerry is most
> likely lying about his stance on these things. He has taken both sides on
> these issues and you have only heard him say what you wanted to hear hiim
> say. He is also just as guilty of invoking "God" at every turn....unless he
> is addressing a secular crowd.
> 
> When faced with an unpredictable character and a predictable one, most
> people will choose the predictable one. This is why I preferred the known
> evil of Bush over the unknown evil of Kerry. Although I don;t have any
> polling data that says so, my gut tells me that the swing voters went Bush'd
> way for that same reason.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amara Graps" <amara at amara.com>
> To: <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 4:17 AM
> Subject: [extropy-chat] Aw Nuts! Bush Wins...
> 
> >
> > I am so disappointed. How could Bush win the popular vote? I don't
> > understand this; no one I spoke with here understands it either. Also,
> > I suspect it won't be easy for Americans with nonAmericans in the future.
> > I heard often in the last years that 'Americans simply made a
> > mistake',with regards to the Bush administration, and so they cleanly
> > separated the American people from their government, and expected the
> > Americans to 'set things right' in this election. Now Americans will be
> > much more closely aligned with their government in the eyes of many in
> > the world.
> >
> > On a more personal note, as a holder of a US and Latvian passport, the
> > shift in these last years is that I only use my US passport when I
> > travel to the US, because the "baggage" of the US government is not
> > something I like to carry in my dealings with people in my everyday
> > life. I never had a good answer when someone  wants to know where I am
> > "from" (Hawaii, Wisconsin, California, Colorado, Latvia, Germany, Greece
> > all fit to some degree, but California the most). Unfortunately my
> > Italian paperwork lists US as my citizenship, so I'm illegal for the
> > last year, with an expired permit-of-stay, grouped with Australians,
> > New Zealanders, Canadians, Japanese, Africans, South Americans.... (the
> > nonEU world) who are in a quagmire in the collapsed Italian Bossi-Fini
> > immigration law. Therefore, given the US political situation now, I will
> > begin to shift my Italian bureaucratic papers to my Latvian citizenship
> > (even with Italy's new restrictions on the new EU member countries),
> > since I think that holding a US passport will mostly hurt me now.
> >
> > Amara
> >
> > --
> >
> > Amara Graps, PhD
> > Istituto di Fisica dello Spazio Interplanetario (IFSI)
> > Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica (INAF),
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor Astronomy, AUR,
> > Roma, ITALIA     Amara.Graps at ifsi.rm.cnr.it
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