[extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?

Mon Aug 8 06:15:10 UTC 2005

Then why bother asking the war protesters to do better.  The convinced 
are convinced - so vat else is new?

"nobody's innocent" - Kingpin

In any case, us war protesters have done our job and thank goodness, 
saying we haven't is just absurd.

Robbie

On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Al Brooks wrote:

> This is comprehensive post. But nothing I've read convinces me the war 
> ought to be terminated now. If you want to think my position is 
> America's role in Iraq is innocent until proven guilty, fine. It 
> probably is.
> And of course the war is mainly about oil, it is a given; petroleum is 
> the lifeblood of the economy.
>
>> Great.
>>
>> Al, baby. War protesters DO BETTER. In fact, now that the
>> administration's approval rating on Iraq is down to 38%, I'd say that
>> the anti-war message is finally getting across effectively. Body bags
>> and information tend to do that and every once in a while stories from
>> Iraq do get home - mostly the bad news of more dead people. Go team!
>> Kill, Kill, Kill!
>>
>> Secondly, it's easy to make fun of idiots. That's why people no longer
>> make fun of that drug addict with the white hair and television show.
>>
>> In fact, it's too easy. In fact, the anti-war movement makes such a
>> good rational case for not being at war with Iraq that it appears the
>> only thing left to do is make fun of the idiots that still buy into 
>> it.
>> If you doubt this, please explain why we're at war in Iraq remembering
>> some essential facts:
>>
>> 1) There are ! now WMD's there, there haven't been for years, and both
>> the CIA and British intelligence KNEW this and told the American and
>> British Administrative branches BEFORE they decided to go to war and
>> make the case before the UN. The UN inspectors were there verifying
>> this before the war and when they were kicked out by US threats of 
>> war,
>> they exclaimed that there simply was no threat there. This is
>> unsuprising given the years of UN inspections and the awesome economic
>> burden we put on Iraq after the Kuwait Invasion.
>>
>> 2) Al quaeda was completely uninvolved in Iraq before the war and
>> their current involvement is at best questionable. In fact, due to the
>> outrage at us having invaded Iraq, the level of islamic extremist
>> terrorist threat worldwide, but especially for US and British targets,
>> has increased - as predicted by the CIA prior to the invasion of Iraq.
>>
>> 3) The level of nepotism in Iraq is unparalleled. Haliburton - the
>> company ! that still gives Cheney a million dollars a year - LOST a
>> billion dollars after having won an unreviewed government contract
>> without competition. UDI, a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group on whose
>> board sits Pappy Bush himself, is the biggest defense contractor and 
>> to
>> date the one who's made the most money from this war. Prior to the war
>> itself, Iraqi expatriots and a few oil companies met to divvy up the
>> spoils and our own deputy defense minister said that it was "job 
>> number
>> 1" to secure the oil fields. Make no mistakes, they're in it for the
>> money.
>>
>> 4) There are other countries in the world that actually DO have
>> weapons of mass destruction - like Korea and Pakistan - that actually
>> ARE ruled by maniacs - and Pakistan is an ally of our and we're not
>> invading North Korea any time soon. Why? Because it's not our job to
>> fix all the governments in the world. It's neither our job nor is it
>> within our reasonable reach. We simply c! ouldn't fight North Korea 
>> and
>> Iraq at the same time without fundamentally changing our country into 
>> a
>> complete war machine - re-instituting the draft, raising taxes, 
>> further
>> plunging our country into debt, not to mention the body bags - and you
>> know what, voter here wouldn't stand for it any more than they stood
>> for vietnam or Korea. And worse than that, the terrorists would have
>> won. America would be dead. America is a dream of freedom,
>> opportunity, peace and prosperity. If we don't start remembering
>> quickly what those core values are and acting on them, America will be
>> gone anyway.
>>
>> 5) Finally the fiscal point. After the idiot in chief got himself
>> punditted into office by the supreme court (notably not the supreme
>> court of Florida who -actually- had jurisdiction there) and some
>> talking heads, we were plunged into a dreadful recession (perhaps you
>> didn't notice), and the idiot in chief had no idea what to do about 
>> it,
>> h! imself having been the ceo of a couple of failed companies. So what
>> did he do? He started a war to give people something else to think
>> about and spend money on. Oh and did I mention the money - 9 Trillion
>> dollars of debt in 6 years. That's right, the LIBERALS had balanced
>> the budget. Until, well, the belly-up ceo of our country decided to
>> bankrupt it. This is the kind of thing that happens when you leave
>> your 11-year-old kid to mind the store while you and the wife go on
>> vacation for a month. This point -should- bother people like Lorrey,
>> but of course that -kind- of libertarian has their head stuck so far 
>> up
>> the unmentionable orifices of the establishment that it's not
>> surprising their ocular nodes don't work being themselves soaked with
>> odoriferous bile.
>>
>> But of course, these points were well made a few years ago. That the
>> right wing fascist pigs that run this country and the country-bumpkin
>> citizens of dumbf*ckistan in t! he red states can't fathom why anyone 
>> is
>> against the war is only a sign of either their malice or stupidity.
>> Consequently, when what's left of the so-called liberal media only
>> pokes fun at the evil and stupid, how can you blame them? What more is
>> there to say? Was something overlooked?
>>
>> Robbie Lindauer
>>
>> PS - NOW that someone with an opposing view has spoken up, should you
>> take this to extro-freedom or should we allow this f-ing liberal to
>> continue to ridicule the stupid/evil people on the hawkish side of the
>> fence?
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2005, at 10:36 AM, spike wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-
>> >> bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lindauer
>> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:44 PM
>> >> To: ExI chat list
>> >> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>> >>
>> >&! gt; I wonder, does -this- thread belong on ex=freedom or whatever?
>> >
>> >
>> > Let's let it sputter on a while. Doesn't look like it is
>> > going anywhere in particular. spike
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Polemics are valuable, I'm accused of being a "pabulum spewer" and
>> >>> for
>> >>>  "mistaking twaddle for objectivity" by leftwing stormtroopers in
>> >>> this
>> >>> most politically polarized town I live in...
>> >
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