[extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?

Mon Aug 8 09:25:57 UTC 2005

I find it comical that you harangue the red staters for being stupid and 
then express your own stupidity by calling them "country-bumpkin citizens of 
dumbf*ckistan".

There's a name for those who can't understand the viewpoints of others: 
fundamentalists. You're acting like a fundamentalist in your belief that you 
are correct and tons of others are wrong. It goes both ways. I think calling 
51% of the US idiots is no way to further your cause. You're going to need 
to understand the right and why they win elections in order to regain 
control of the US. Belittling constituents is not the way to go about it.

BAL

>From: Robert Lindauer <robgobblin at aol.com>
>To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:15:10 -1000
>
>Then why bother asking the war protesters to do better.  The convinced are 
>convinced - so vat else is new?
>
>"nobody's innocent" - Kingpin
>
>In any case, us war protesters have done our job and thank goodness, saying 
>we haven't is just absurd.
>
>Robbie
>
>
>On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>
>>This is comprehensive post. But nothing I've read convinces me the war 
>>ought to be terminated now. If you want to think my position is America's 
>>role in Iraq is innocent until proven guilty, fine. It probably is.
>>And of course the war is mainly about oil, it is a given; petroleum is the 
>>lifeblood of the economy.
>>
>>>Great.
>>>
>>>Al, baby. War protesters DO BETTER. In fact, now that the
>>>administration's approval rating on Iraq is down to 38%, I'd say that
>>>the anti-war message is finally getting across effectively. Body bags
>>>and information tend to do that and every once in a while stories from
>>>Iraq do get home - mostly the bad news of more dead people. Go team!
>>>Kill, Kill, Kill!
>>>
>>>Secondly, it's easy to make fun of idiots. That's why people no longer
>>>make fun of that drug addict with the white hair and television show.
>>>
>>>In fact, it's too easy. In fact, the anti-war movement makes such a
>>>good rational case for not being at war with Iraq that it appears the
>>>only thing left to do is make fun of the idiots that still buy into it.
>>>If you doubt this, please explain why we're at war in Iraq remembering
>>>some essential facts:
>>>
>>>1) There are ! now WMD's there, there haven't been for years, and both
>>>the CIA and British intelligence KNEW this and told the American and
>>>British Administrative branches BEFORE they decided to go to war and
>>>make the case before the UN. The UN inspectors were there verifying
>>>this before the war and when they were kicked out by US threats of war,
>>>they exclaimed that there simply was no threat there. This is
>>>unsuprising given the years of UN inspections and the awesome economic
>>>burden we put on Iraq after the Kuwait Invasion.
>>>
>>>2) Al quaeda was completely uninvolved in Iraq before the war and
>>>their current involvement is at best questionable. In fact, due to the
>>>outrage at us having invaded Iraq, the level of islamic extremist
>>>terrorist threat worldwide, but especially for US and British targets,
>>>has increased - as predicted by the CIA prior to the invasion of Iraq.
>>>
>>>3) The level of nepotism in Iraq is unparalleled. Haliburton - the
>>>company ! that still gives Cheney a million dollars a year - LOST a
>>>billion dollars after having won an unreviewed government contract
>>>without competition. UDI, a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group on whose
>>>board sits Pappy Bush himself, is the biggest defense contractor and to
>>>date the one who's made the most money from this war. Prior to the war
>>>itself, Iraqi expatriots and a few oil companies met to divvy up the
>>>spoils and our own deputy defense minister said that it was "job number
>>>1" to secure the oil fields. Make no mistakes, they're in it for the
>>>money.
>>>
>>>4) There are other countries in the world that actually DO have
>>>weapons of mass destruction - like Korea and Pakistan - that actually
>>>ARE ruled by maniacs - and Pakistan is an ally of our and we're not
>>>invading North Korea any time soon. Why? Because it's not our job to
>>>fix all the governments in the world. It's neither our job nor is it
>>>within our reasonable reach. We simply c! ouldn't fight North Korea and
>>>Iraq at the same time without fundamentally changing our country into a
>>>complete war machine - re-instituting the draft, raising taxes, further
>>>plunging our country into debt, not to mention the body bags - and you
>>>know what, voter here wouldn't stand for it any more than they stood
>>>for vietnam or Korea. And worse than that, the terrorists would have
>>>won. America would be dead. America is a dream of freedom,
>>>opportunity, peace and prosperity. If we don't start remembering
>>>quickly what those core values are and acting on them, America will be
>>>gone anyway.
>>>
>>>5) Finally the fiscal point. After the idiot in chief got himself
>>>punditted into office by the supreme court (notably not the supreme
>>>court of Florida who -actually- had jurisdiction there) and some
>>>talking heads, we were plunged into a dreadful recession (perhaps you
>>>didn't notice), and the idiot in chief had no idea what to do about it,
>>>h! imself having been the ceo of a couple of failed companies. So what
>>>did he do? He started a war to give people something else to think
>>>about and spend money on. Oh and did I mention the money - 9 Trillion
>>>dollars of debt in 6 years. That's right, the LIBERALS had balanced
>>>the budget. Until, well, the belly-up ceo of our country decided to
>>>bankrupt it. This is the kind of thing that happens when you leave
>>>your 11-year-old kid to mind the store while you and the wife go on
>>>vacation for a month. This point -should- bother people like Lorrey,
>>>but of course that -kind- of libertarian has their head stuck so far up
>>>the unmentionable orifices of the establishment that it's not
>>>surprising their ocular nodes don't work being themselves soaked with
>>>odoriferous bile.
>>>
>>>But of course, these points were well made a few years ago. That the
>>>right wing fascist pigs that run this country and the country-bumpkin
>>>citizens of dumbf*ckistan in t! he red states can't fathom why anyone is
>>>against the war is only a sign of either their malice or stupidity.
>>>Consequently, when what's left of the so-called liberal media only
>>>pokes fun at the evil and stupid, how can you blame them? What more is
>>>there to say? Was something overlooked?
>>>
>>>Robbie Lindauer
>>>
>>>PS - NOW that someone with an opposing view has spoken up, should you
>>>take this to extro-freedom or should we allow this f-ing liberal to
>>>continue to ridicule the stupid/evil people on the hawkish side of the
>>>fence?
>>>
>>>
>>>On Aug 6, 2005, at 10:36 AM, spike wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-
>>> >> bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lindauer
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:44 PM
>>> >> To: ExI chat list
>>> >> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>>> >>
>>> >&! gt; I wonder, does -this- thread belong on ex=freedom or whatever?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Let's let it sputter on a while. Doesn't look like it is
>>> > going anywhere in particular. spike
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Polemics are valuable, I'm accused of being a "pabulum spewer" and
>>> >>> for
>>> >>>  "mistaking twaddle for objectivity" by leftwing stormtroopers in
>>> >>> this
>>> >>> most politically polarized town I live in...
>>> >
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