[extropy-chat] competent superhack

Mon Aug 8 20:03:58 UTC 2005

I despise the creature wearing the mantle of president and this  
administration.  For that matter I despise what that mantle now  
includes.  But I am not a member of some simplistic category like  
"left".  Your continued baiting and false simplistic categorization  
is annoying as hell since I know you in fact know better.   This sort  
of sloppy insult definitely does belong somewhere else like in the  
unsent pointless rants email folder.

- s

On Aug 8, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Mike Lorrey wrote:

> This is one reason why I find the left's hatred of Bush so laughable:
> they can't seem to decide if he is a retard or a genius supervillain.
> C'mon, MOVE ON, make up your minds already.
>
> --- Al Brooks <kerry_prez at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> America could have a true heavyweight president yet they feel more
>> comfortable with competent hacks. Bush is tough & competent, self
>> assured. But he, like his father was, is in government for the Career
>> of Service-- emphasis on Career. That's how they were brought up,
>> high at their level they see it as their calling but also their due.
>> Joe Bloch told me "you hate Bush". No, not at all; there's not enough
>> there to hate. He isn't smart enough to attempt an imperial
>> presidency, as Nixon did. He's not interested, he just wants to serve
>> his term of office, write his memoirs, look after grandchildren later
>> on. If Bush is a monster, he is a monster-cornball. I don't see a
>> sinister usurper in Bush, merely a competent superhack.
>>
>> 1) I didn't call 51% of the US idiots, just the ones that voted for
>> Bush the second time (well, okay, the first time too). That was far
>> less than 51% of Americans, even voting-age americans. Morelike 22%.
>> I stand by my statement that those who did are dumbf*cks.
>> 2) I thought it was funny, sorry you didn't.
>> 3) I do understand the right and why they win elections - they cheat.
>> 4) No people "represent constituents" for me, but rather are just
>> thinking individuals who decide for themselves what to do. If someone
>>
>> in Texas is upset by me calling their state dumbf*ckistan, they're
>> probably neo-cons anyway and I couldn't care less what they think.
>> Our
>> hope is that they'll continue sending their offspring to war en masse
>>
>> and eventually evolution will kick in and the warmongering dipsh*ts
>> will die off OR they'll finally see that on the other side of the
>> ridicule, there's a better way.
>>
>> I -used to be- one of those nice politically correct liberals (before
>> I
>> was a former libertarian, I was a former socialist...now I've
>> realized
>> that situational pragmatism is the only way to work politics) that
>> would let people have their say even if they were lying snooty jerks,
>>
>> and then respond politely and with clear discursive argumentation.
>> Now, if I see a lying snooty jerk, I call them a lying snooty jerk.
>> This is a bit reactionary, it certainly breaks the rule my mamma told
>>
>> me "If you use bad words it's because you don't have anything to
>> say".
>>
>> I got tired of the conservative pundits having all the fun making fun
>>
>> of liberals and so decided to join in and since I've long since said
>> everything I have to say about the war, it's bad words time - and my
>> mamma forgives me in this particular case.
>>
>> In fact, I think I have understood one major part of what causes
>> those
>> dipsh*ts to be conservatives, they like the fact that they can make
>> fun
>> of someone, it makes them feel superior. Well, if what they like is
>> ridicule then I say give'em what they want. -Remember that Wally
>> George, Imus and Rush Limbaugh are their HEROS-.
>>
>> Put it in conservative language. There comes a time for talking, when
>>
>> you have an honest disagreement with someone, and you think there's a
>>
>> chance to come to a peaceful resolution. But sometimes the enemy is
>> soo beligerent, so oppressive and so self-absorbed that any rational
>> discussion is useless. Then what? In grade school it was time to
>> start kicking the shins. Since I'm a nonviolent person, I won't shoot
>>
>> senators. I don't have enough money to afford the kind of lawyers
>> that
>> would be needed to tie them up in court so I do what I can - I tell
>> the
>> truth about what they do and then yell mean names at them 'till I'm
>> blue in the face hoping that EVENTUALLY people will come to see
>> things
>> my way - even if they end up hating me in the process.
>>
>> Thankfully, this has recently happened:
>>
>> Zogby reports his overall approval rating from "likely voters" to be
>> less than 50% and declining for two weeks straight (currently at
>> 42%).
>> On Iraq he's 60% disapprove, 40% approve according to CNN.
>>
>> Things like this make my day. I hope this lasts until the 2006
>> mid-terms. What with gas prices on the rise, the economy still in the
>>
>> slumps, the ever-increasing defecit, the body bags and the plans to
>> nuke Iran, I don't foresee a lot of forthcoming popularity. On the
>> other hand, he may be able to drag us into another war in order to
>> bolster his popularity. Ve shall see.
>>
>> Meanwhile, if you like to play the part of the nice liberal, by all
>> means, go for it! The ear doesn't try to be the eyes does it?
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2005, at 11:25 PM, Brian Lee wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I find it comical that you harangue the red staters for being
>>>
>> stupid
>>
>>> and then express your own stupidity by calling them
>>>
>> "country-bumpkin
>>
>>> citizens of dumbf*ckistan".
>>>
>>> There's a name for those who can't understand the viewpoints of
>>> others: fundamentalists. You're acting like a fundamentalist in
>>>
>> your
>>
>>> belief that you are correct and tons of others are wrong. It goes
>>>
>> both
>>
>>> ways. I think calling 51% of the US idiots is no way to further
>>>
>> your
>>
>>> cause. You're going to need to understand the right and why they
>>>
>> win
>>
>>> elections in order to regain control of the US. Belittling
>>> constituents is not the way to go about it.
>>>
>>> BAL
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Robert Lindauer
>>>> To: ExI chat list
>>>> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:15:10 -1000
>>>>
>>>> Then why bother asking the war protesters to do better. The
>>>> convinced are convinced - so vat else is new?
>>>>
>>>> "nobody's innocent" - Kingpin
>>>>
>>>> In any case, us war protesters have done our job and thank
>>>>
>> goodness,
>>
>>>> saying we haven't is just absurd.
>>>>
>>>> Robbie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is comprehensive post. But nothing I've read convinces me
>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>> war ought to be terminated now. If you want to think my position
>>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>>> America's role in Iraq is innocent until proven guilty, fine. It
>>>>> probably is.
>>>>> And of course the war is mainly about oil, it is a given;
>>>>>
>> petroleum
>>
>>>>> is the lifeblood of the economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al, baby. War protesters DO BETTER. In fact, now that the
>>>>>> administration's approval rating on Iraq is down to 38%, I'd say
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the anti-war message is finally getting across effectively. Body
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> bags
>>>>>> and information tend to do that and every once in a while
>>>>>>
>> stories
>>
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> Iraq do get home - mostly the bad news of more dead people. Go
>>>>>>
>> team!
>>
>>>>>> Kill, Kill, Kill!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secondly, it's easy to make fun of idiots. That's why people no
>>>>>> longer
>>>>>> make fun of that drug addict with the white hair and television
>>>>>> show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, it's too easy. In fact, the anti-war movement makes
>>>>>>
>> such a
>>
>>>>>> good rational case for not being at war with Iraq that it
>>>>>>
>> appears
>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> only thing left to do is make fun of the idiots that still buy
>>>>>>
>> into
>>
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> If you doubt this, please explain why we're at war in Iraq
>>>>>> remembering
>>>>>> some essential facts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) There are ! now WMD's there, there haven't been for years,
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> the CIA and British intelligence KNEW this and told the American
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> British Administrative branches BEFORE they decided to go to war
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> make the case before the UN. The UN inspectors were there
>>>>>>
>> verifying
>>
>>>>>> this before the war and when they were kicked out by US threats
>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>> war,
>>>>>> they exclaimed that there simply was no threat there. This is
>>>>>> unsuprising given the years of UN inspections and the awesome
>>>>>> economic
>>>>>> burden we put on Iraq after the Kuwait Invasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Al quaeda was completely uninvolved in Iraq before the war
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> their current involvement is at best questionable. In fact, due
>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> outrage at us having invaded Iraq, the level of islamic
>>>>>>
>> extremist
>>
>>>>>> terrorist threat worldwide, but especially for US and British
>>>>>> targets,
>>>>>> has increased - as predicted by the CIA prior to the invasion of
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Iraq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) The level of nepotism in Iraq is unparalleled. Haliburton -
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>> company ! that still gives Cheney a million dollars a year -
>>>>>>
>> LOST a
>>
>>>>>> billion dollars after having won an unreviewed government
>>>>>>
>> contract
>>
>>>>>> without competition. UDI, a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group on
>>>>>>
>> whose
>>
>>>>>> board sits Pappy Bush himself, is the biggest defense contractor
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> and to
>>>>>> date the one who's made the most money from this war. Prior to
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>> war
>>>>>> itself, Iraqi expatriots and a few oil companies met to divvy up
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>> spoils and our own deputy defense minister said that it was "job
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> 1" to secure the oil fields. Make no mistakes, they're in it for
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) There are other countries in the world that actually DO have
>>>>>> weapons of mass destruction - like Korea and Pakistan - that
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> ARE ruled by maniacs - and Pakistan is an ally of our and we're
>>>>>>
>> not
>>
>>>>>> invading North Korea any time soon. Why? Because it's not our
>>>>>>
>> job to
>>
>>>>>> fix all the governments in the world. It's neither our job nor
>>>>>>
>> is it
>>
>>>>>> within our reasonable reach. We simply c! ouldn't fight North
>>>>>>
>> Korea
>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Iraq at the same time without fundamentally changing our country
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> into a
>>>>>> complete war machine - re-instituting the draft, raising taxes,
>>>>>> further
>>>>>> plunging our country into debt, not to mention the body bags -
>>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> know what, voter here wouldn't stand for it any more than they
>>>>>>
>> stood
>>
>>>>>> for vietnam or Korea. And worse than that, the terrorists would
>>>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>>>> won. America would be dead. America is a dream of freedom,
>>>>>> opportunity, peace and prosperity. If we don't start remembering
>>>>>> quickly what those core values are and acting on them, America
>>>>>>
>> will
>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> gone anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5) Finally the fiscal point. After the idiot in chief got
>>>>>>
>> himself
>>
>>>>>> punditted into office by the supreme court (notably not the
>>>>>>
>> supreme
>>
>>>>>> court of Florida who -actually- had jurisdiction there) and some
>>>>>> talking heads, we were plunged into a dreadful recession
>>>>>>
>> (perhaps
>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> didn't notice), and the idiot in chief had no idea what to do
>>>>>>
>> about
>>
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> h! imself having been the ceo of a couple of failed companies.
>>>>>>
>> So
>>
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> did he do? He started a war to give people something else to
>>>>>>
>> think
>>
>>>>>> about and spend money on. Oh and did I mention the money - 9
>>>>>> Trillion
>>>>>> dollars of debt in 6 years. That's right, the LIBERALS had
>>>>>>
>> balanced
>>
>>>>>> the budget. Until, well, the belly-up ceo of our country decided
>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>> bankrupt it. This is the kind of thing that happens when you
>>>>>>
>> leave
>>
>>>>>> your 11-year-old kid to mind the store while you and the wife go
>>>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>>>> vacation for a month. This point -should- bother people like
>>>>>>
>> Lorrey,
>>
>>>>>> but of course that -kind- of libertarian has their head stuck so
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> far up
>>>>>> the unmentionable orifices of the establishment that it's not
>>>>>> surprising their ocular nodes don't work being themselves soaked
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> odoriferous bile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But of course, these points were well made a few years ago. That
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>>> right wing fascist pigs that run this country and the
>>>>>> country-bumpkin
>>>>>> citizens of dumbf*ckistan in t! he red states can't fathom why
>>>>>> anyone is
>>>>>> against the war is only a sign of either their malice or
>>>>>>
>> stupidity.
>>
>>>>>> Consequently, when what's left of the so-called liberal media
>>>>>>
>> only
>>
>>>>>> pokes fun at the evil and stupid, how can you blame them? What
>>>>>>
>> more
>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> there to say? Was something overlooked?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robbie Lindauer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS - NOW that someone with an opposing view has spoken up,
>>>>>>
>> should
>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> take this to extro-freedom or should we allow this f-ing liberal
>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>> continue to ridicule the stupid/evil people on the hawkish side
>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2005, at 10:36 AM, spike wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [mailto:extropy-chat-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lindauer
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:44 PM
>>>>>>>> To: ExI chat list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> &! gt; I wonder, does -this- thread belong on ex=freedom or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> whatever?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's let it sputter on a while. Doesn't look like it is
>>>>>>> going anywhere in particular. spike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Polemics are valuable, I'm accused of being a "pabulum
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> spewer" and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>  "mistaking twaddle for objectivity" by leftwing
>>>>>>>>>
>> stormtroopers
>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> most politically polarized town I live in...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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