[extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?

[Al Brooks]

Questions for both of you: do you think we can elect a heavyweight, a man or woman of Churchillian caliber for president in 2008? The founders wanted us to select a president every four years, so since we're saddled with that system for the forseeable future do you think we can make better choices in electing our chief executives? 
Or is the concept of great statesmen & women passe'?

:
kevinfreels.com wrote:

>It's such a shame that you have such a limited view of people. You have this
>nasty problem with grouping people rather than looking at them as
>individuals. I voted for Bush twice and I am hardly the idiot that you are
>speaking of.
>
Fooled twice, huh? Sad.

> I am a thinking individual.
>

Everyone is. See, my opinion of people generally isn't so bad.

> I am not a neo-con
>

Maybe you are, have you checked their official views?

> and I certainly
>don't support his religious views.
>

They're unrelated.

> I am an atheist and I disagree with many
>parts of the Bush agenda.
> 
>
Just the part about killing arabs for grins and giggles, huh?

>If you are the thinking person that you claim to be, you will realize soon
>that the left is just as guilty as the right when it comes to polarizing
>voters in an attempt to win elections.
>

Of course, the so-called "left" is really just a shill for the so-called 
"right". I think I've said that here before.

>So why does an atheist transhumanist vote in support of an administration
>with a religious ideology? 
>

And a penchant for war profiteering?

>Kerry though, probably
>couldn;t even predict what Kerry was going to do
>
Funny, I recall him spelling out exactly what he was going to do. He 
was going to go to the UN, appologize for having invaded Iraq and ask 
for their assistance in establishing a legitmate and peaceful government 
in Iraq. A reasonable proposition that I think would have been welcomed 
at the UN.

>I knew exactly where Bush stands 
>
Kerry was a flip-flopper wildcard. Bush is a sturdy known quantity. I 
get it. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Me, on the other hand, I regarded the pineapple up my @ss as unbearable 
and anything was worth the switch.

>And I am not a Bush supporter by the way.
>
We all make only practical choices. I'm not a kerry supporter, so in 
the end, I voted for my father. I learned long ago that they never 
listen to me anyway.

> I could care less who the
>president is or what party he is affiliated with.
>

Me neither.

> The issues are much
>greater than any one person. I will be glad to debate you on any issue, but
>a debate on who is a better president is lunacy.
>
Well, lets start with - is George Bush a criminal and should he be tried 
for his crimes?

I, personally, think that was the most decisive reason -not- to vote for 
georgy last time around.

> A reasonable debate can
>only be obtained if we could first agree on each objective, every issue and
>it's importance. Then we could argue about how effectively this president
>carried out those objectives and handled each issue. Otherwise you are
>wasting your time comparing apples to oranges.
> 
>

I don't think this the proper, but I'm willing to have a civil 
conversation about it.

Robbie

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