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[John Calvin]

Brett,

I am certain I had seen a video where OBL directly claimed
responsibility for 9/11, danged if I can find it now.  I will keep
looking however and post a link when I find it.

On 8/8/05, Mike Lorrey <mlorrey at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- Brett Paatsch <bpaatsch at bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > From: "John Calvin" <john.h.calvin at gmail.com>
> > > Osama Bin Laden released a tape claiming responsibility for the
> > 9/11
> > > attacks, and intelligence places clear links to the Al Qaeda
> > > organization for the planning and execution.
> >
> > Is that a fact John?  Did he explicitly claim responsibility on
> > behalf of
> > Al Qaeda and/or himself or did he sort of verbally handwave and say
> > god-willing yes the infidels were a-smitten and we observed with the
> > satisfaction of the righteous or some such.
> >
> > Reason I ask is that it *was* my impression but I didn't personally
> > see or watch any such tape, and lately here in Australia a couple
> > of radical muslim talking heads have said that they did not think
> > that OBL had claimed responsibility for september 11.
> 
> A lot of the anti-US crowd is trying to claim OBL never copped to
> responsibility, that he's just a convenient patsy, and even that the
> 9.11 events were staged. For instance, there are widespread claims that
> no airliner struck the pentagon, that it was a smaller plane. Typically
> these are by people who have no experience in weaponry, physics, or
> civil engineering. Do some googling beyond the radical left and right
> pabulum.
> 
> >
> > In at least one case, the more reliably source involved, the ABC
> > (Australian public Broad Caster) interviewer, seemd to be surprised
> > that his interviewee was unaware of that "fact".
> >
> > I think the "terrorists" are sometimes of like mind with the
> > Bush-admin and the govts that like to demonise them in perhaps
> > being willing to take "credit" for more than their due.
> 
> The London bombings are the first of the current era that had more than
> one group claiming responsibility, though Zawahiri in his most recent
> tape claimed the bombing as well as al Qaeda in Europe and a third
> group. There are established protocols in terrorism for proving one's
> bona fides in claims sent to media and police, typically disclosing
> details about the incident that police either were not yet aware of or
> had not released.
> Furthermore, videos were found of OBL in Afghanistan that were
> captured, not produced for public propaganda, in which OBL explicitly
> admitted to approving 9/11 and referring to his civil engineering
> experience in directing the hijacker pilots to strike the buildings
> where they did.
> 
> Mike Lorrey
> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> Founder, Constitution Park Foundation:
> http://constitutionpark.blogspot.com
> Personal/political blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
> 
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