[extropy-chat] China/Iran developing mutual defense deal.

[Bret Kulakovich]

If you have a look at Mike Lorrey's  great points on August 18, 2005  
2:02:16 PM EDT, in the Subject :  [extropy-chat] [Politics] Real  
Politick, then play this game 5 turns forward, I think you have to  
really ask yourself the motivations of China.

What you are saying is true, but not to the exclusion of the  
possibility I mention, imho - The more study of what is going on the  
more the situations resemble one another. And if Iran continues to  
sell decade-spanning blocks of pro-rated resources to single  
entities, then OPEC becomes moot. As China's interest i.e. investment  
grows, and its obligations via policy do the same, the situation  
becomes a portrait of Taiwan. The postures on both sides are  
increasingly similar each month. Unless you think that China giving  
financial support and military protection to Iran will spell the end  
of China's nuclear program?


Not sure if this belongs on 'the other' extropy politics (?) list.


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On Aug 27, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Rik van Riel wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Bret Kulakovich wrote:
>
>
>> Well it is easy to see that this is quid-pro-quo over Taiwan,  
>> given the
>> plans of the US.
>>
>
> I doubt that.  The Chinese are strengthening economic and
> political ties everywhere they can, as are many of the
> other large countries that were excluded from the US-EU
> trading axis in the past.
>
> China, India, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, Chile,
> Iran, several African countries and a number of Asian
> countries are all negotiating better trade terms with
> each other and strengthening political ties.
>
>
>> Next up: Opec dissolves.
>>
>
> I suspect the focus is more on WTO than OPEC.  In the
> past the WTO has been used to set unfair trade terms
> on less powerful countries, using divide and conquer
> strategies.
>
> Today the more influential of the disadvantaged countries
> are now negotiating directly with each other, outside of
> WTO meetings, and deciding on methods to reduce the
> influence of the US and EU on their international trade.
>
> -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
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