Fwd: [extropy-chat] China/Iran developing mutual defense deal.

[Bret Kulakovich]

Eugen made a great point to me that some in this thread may be  
without Mike's email, so here it is:

>
>
> --- Mike Lorrey <mlorrey at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The US is actually legally obligated under international treaty to
>> police Taiwan-PRC relations. The San Francisco Peace Treaty of 1952,
>> brokered between the Communists, Nationalists, by the US, puts a
>> burden
>> on the US to ensure a peaceful reconciliation between Taiwan and the
>> mainland. The US also has the 1955 Mutual Defense Treaty binding it
>> to
>> Taiwans defense. Technically, the US, in a legal sense, has occupied
>> Taiwan, on paper, since the 50's, and under the peace treaty, it is
>> occupier and guarrantor of the defense of the people of Taiwan. It is
>> an unincorporated but unannexed territory of the US. (see:
>> http://www.taiwanadvice.com/ustaiwan/intro.htm )
>>
>
> Furthermore, since the US severed official diplomatic relations with
> the Republic of China government in the 1970's (as would be fitting,
> the US does not maintain diplomatic relations with its territories and
> protectorates), the Congress set defense of Taiwan into US law in the
> Taiwan Relations Act of 1979 (see:
> http://www.taiwandocuments.org/tra01.htm ). So it is a matter of law,
> multiple ways, that the President and Congress are legally  
> obligated to
> defend Taiwan against Chinese agression.
>
> Rep. Tancredo of CO wants to pass a bill to rescind the TRA and  
> declare
> recognise the Taiwanese govt as a soveriegn nation. While it seems on
> its face to be an act of agression against China by the US to do  
> so, it
> actually is the reverse, because it will negate US obligations to
> defend Taiwan and hang them out to dry.
>
> Mike Lorrey
> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> Founder, Constitution Park Foundation:
> http://constitutionpark.blogspot.com
> Personal/political blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
>






>
>> If you have a look at Mike Lorrey's  great points on August 18,  
>> 2005 2:02:16 PM EDT, in the Subject :  [extropy-chat] [Politics]  
>> Real Politick, then play this game 5 turns forward, I think you  
>> have to really ask yourself the motivations of China.
>>
>> What you are saying is true, but not to the exclusion of the  
>> possibility I mention, imho - The more study of what is going on  
>> the more the situations resemble one another. And if Iran  
>> continues to sell decade-spanning blocks of pro-rated resources to  
>> single entities, then OPEC becomes moot. As China's interest i.e.  
>> investment grows, and its obligations via policy do the same, the  
>> situation becomes a portrait of Taiwan. The postures on both sides  
>> are increasingly similar each month. Unless you think that China  
>> giving financial support and military protection to Iran will  
>> spell the end of China's nuclear program?
>>
>>
>> Not sure if this belongs on 'the other' extropy politics (?) list.
>>
>>
>> ]3
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Rik van Riel wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Bret Kulakovich wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well it is easy to see that this is quid-pro-quo over Taiwan,  
>>>> given the
>>>> plans of the US.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt that.  The Chinese are strengthening economic and
>>> political ties everywhere they can, as are many of the
>>> other large countries that were excluded from the US-EU
>>> trading axis in the past.
>>>
>>> China, India, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, Chile,
>>> Iran, several African countries and a number of Asian
>>> countries are all negotiating better trade terms with
>>> each other and strengthening political ties.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Next up: Opec dissolves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect the focus is more on WTO than OPEC.  In the
>>> past the WTO has been used to set unfair trade terms
>>> on less powerful countries, using divide and conquer
>>> strategies.
>>>
>>> Today the more influential of the disadvantaged countries
>>> are now negotiating directly with each other, outside of
>>> WTO meetings, and deciding on methods to reduce the
>>> influence of the US and EU on their international trade.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
>>> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
>>> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
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