[extropy-chat] Consciousness is a process in multi-dimensional time![Was: Qualia Bet]

[Marc Geddes]

On 12/15/05, Brent Allsop <allsop at extropy.org> wrote:
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> Isn't it possible that you could have two physical objects – both a
> particular atom or something that can be causally completely
> indistinguishable from the other.  But if one atom had a different
> "phenomenal" property than the other atom (say one was red and the other
> green) this could still not be "causally" detectable in any way.  Yet isn't
> it theoretically possible to put these causally identical, phenomenally
> different objects in some kind of physical lattice in some kind of brain
> that makes the entire system "aware" of the red and green difference?  Since
> the system was aware of the difference, it could effect the selection of the
> red one (instead of the green one) – even though the difference between the
> two items was in no way causally detectable right?
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Atoms can't have 'phenomenal' properties of the type your're describing.


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> As far as your logic below goes it seems just plain dumb.  Just because it
> is abstractly possible to hypothesize that more than 3 special dimensions
> and more than one time dimension exist – The lack of physical evidence
> proves such a theory false or not like reality – or at best uselessly overly
> complex than what occam's razor idea will allow.
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> Processes are sequential events – but not necessarily extending into a
> time dimension right?  As in the entire sequence could theoretically occur
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You've mis-understood the basic meaning of the term 'time dimension'.  It
just means a co-ordinate system for locating ordered 'events'.  Since
everything in reality is arguably an 'event', *everything* is in at least
one time dimension.  This basic relativity theory here!

My logic not 'plain dumb', I think it's pretty clear-cut actually.  I
pointed out that many different brains can implement the *same* mathematical
algorithm (i.e the same 'program').  This shows that the program (the
mathematical algorithm) is an 'event' extending beyond our single physical
time-dimension.


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