US not right to invade say Iraqis Re: [extropy-chat] letter concerning presidential growth

[Jeff Davis]

--- Joseph Bloch <transhumanist at goldenfuture.net>
wrote:

> The irony here is, they would not be able to decide
> that, if we had not 
> overthrown Saddam Hussein. They would still be under
> the jackboot of 
> Saddam and his vicious sons. The rape rooms would
> still be in operation. 
> People would still be thrown living into plastic
> shredders... head-first 
> if the death was to be merciful.

No, the irony here is that Saddam's atrocities were of
no interest to you when he was the US ruling elite's
pal (against the Iranian's) in the eighties, when
Rumsfeld was glad-handing him, and the US corporations
were selling him the precursors for the WMD's he was
using to fill up those mass graves with Iranian
corpses that you never gave a damn about, and Iraqi
corpses that you are now so very very shocked to learn
about, and which the US power elite, as Saddam's
partner, can take a substantial portion of the credit
for.  The irony here is that the torture and rape
rooms were of no interest to you before April Glaspie
gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait.  The
irony here is that now you consider them so very very
monstrous, even as they are being replaced by a
worldwide torture gulag run by the Bush cabal in your
name, including the under-new-managment Iraqi torture
and death chambers run by the US-approved and
democratically-elected Shia/Kurd govt.

The irony is that these things are happening right in
front of your face, and you are still able to blot
them from your conscious awareness and write with a
straight face how wonderful it is now, how different
it is now, that Saddamn is gone.

Plus an added irony.  Remember the UN sanctions?  The
ones imposed on Saddam to require him to disarm?  The
ones the Iraqi nation (ie the Iraqi people) had to
suffer under for what?,...12 years?  Remember them? 
Well, since it turns out that the  proscribed weapons
had in fact been destroyed way back when -- surely you
know of the non-existent nukes and the non-existent
tons of non-existent anthrax and non-existent nerve
gas -- that the sanctions had in fact achieved their
***stated*** goal, and done so shortly after the end
of Gulf War One.  But since the real intent of the
sanctions -- an illegal intent -- was to force Saddam
out, those sanctions continued despite the destruction
of the proscribed weapons, continued by dint of US
influence at the UN, under Bill Clinton.  Continued
despite their utter failure to dislodge Sadddam. 
Continued at a price to the Iraqi people of an
estimated million and a half dead including half a
million children.

So who are the child-killing monsters in this world? 
And what countries are in desperate need of regime
change?

Speak to me of irony.

Best, Jeff Davis

    "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of 
       atrocities committed by his own side, but he
has a
         remarkable capacity for not even hearing
about them."

                                 George Orwell


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