[extropy-chat] Intelligent Design -- take *this*...
Joseph Bloch
transhumanist at goldenfuture.net
Wed Dec 21 04:00:00 UTC 2005
Of course. It's just that it only takes a miniscule percentage of
available computing power to do so, when you're a Jupiter-brain.
So, today, there are a hundred politics messages to every one
stellar-engineering message. When we have virtually unlimited computing
power, we'll still only need a hundred messages about politics to come
to the same non-conclusions, but will be able to squeeze in a few
gazillion messages about stellar engineering in and around them. :-)
Joseph
Mike Hayes wrote:
> Do intelligent entities still argue incessantly about politics when
> they are dismantling and reassembling planets?
>
> On 12/20/05, *Robert Bradbury* < robert.bradbury at gmail.com
> <mailto:robert.bradbury at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/20/05, *Hughes, James J.* <james.hughes at trincoll.edu
> <mailto:james.hughes at trincoll.edu>> wrote:
>
>
> (1) ID could be by "natural" causation, i.e. superintelligence
> (2) ID does not require irreducible complexity, only statistically
> unlikely complexity
> (3) A successful defense does not necessarily determine the
> strength of
> competing hypotheses
> (4) Indeed, proving the central proposition of statistically
> unlikely
> complexity in the peer-reviewed arena is what is important
>
>
> Actually, the "statistically unlikely" argument is open to
> significant debate.
>
> The evolution of stars produces a *lot* of carbon which seems to
> be a good substrate for structures required for life. Supernovas
> and other astrophysical processes seem to produce a lost of
> "organic" base materials (I'm sure Amara could provide a long list
> of organic molecules found in both life processes and interstellar
> dust.) This is in part the entire area of exploration of the
> field of astrobiology (which has a large and growing "scientific"
> community). Lineweaver's arguments point out that a significant
> majority of the Earth's in existing galaxies are much older than
> ours. "Probability One" points out there are likely to be a *lot*
> of them. Minsky pointed out to Dyson 40+ years ago that the most
> advanced civilizations will radiate heat near the cosmic microwave
> background temperature (where it is very difficult for us to "see"
> them). The experimental evidence for "missing mass" in the
> universe is significant and the theoretical physicists are having
> to bend over backwards to try an explain it.
>
> There is a significant case to be made, if you understand biology
> and astrophysics sufficiently, that there may be a *lot* of
> superintelligences in the universe and *we* may currently be the
> "statistically unlikely" state in the evolution of complexity.
> "Life" may have a relatively hard time getting from ground zero to
> our level of complexity -- but once the singularity kicks in it
> goes rapidly from our state to the limits that physics will
> allow. Humans (be they creationists or scientists) seem not to
> have fully grasped that yet.
>
> Indeed, the complexity of evolutionary processes may make it
> impossible to "compute" the likelyhood or unlikelyhood of various
> paths of development. To get the statistics for #4 (above) may in
> fact *require* that one run large numbers of actual experiments
> such as our solar system to get the hard data.
>
> People unfortunately have a difficult time making the leap from
> where we are now to the stage where planetary dismantlement (and
> reassembly) is simply one of the things intelligent entities can
> do (in spite of the fact that we have been doing just that (to a
> limited extent) since 1959 [e.g. Lunas 1,2 & 3 and Pioneer 4].
>
> Robert
>
>
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