AnarchoCyphertopian technologies (wasRE:[extropy-chat]Reccommendations for a mailing list)

Sun Feb 13 19:22:15 UTC 2005

But there is no motivation to give you anything for free. Spammers pay for
internet connections too. They contribute to the overall number of users and
as the number of users goes up, holding the cost per user down. Since they
use a lot of bandwidth it may not actually decrease, but removing the
spammers would decrease the users which in turn may cause an increase to
costs to consumers.

In a way, the ability to send spam creates a demand for the bandwidth that
we all like to have available to us. Internet marketing firms increase the
number of businesses that rely wholly or at least partially on the internet
for their success.  With a lower demand comes less bandwidth and hugher cost
per user. Has anyone actually made an attempt to document the positive
aspects of spam? Surely it can not be all negative or it would not flourish
as well as it has. Does everyone so hate spam that they have a kneejerk
reaction to it and never even consider what positive effects it may have?
How can anyone expect to defeat it or get rid of it when they can;t even
look at it objectively?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: AnarchoCyphertopian technologies
(wasRE:[extropy-chat]Reccommendations for a mailing list)

> You aren't looking at the opportunity cost. If yahoo didn't have so
> much of its bandwidth (and disk space) soaked up by spam, it could
> afford to give me 10 gigs of disk space for free.
>
> --- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a valid question.  We seriously overbuilt bandwidth in the
> > 90s.
> >   So that a large percentage of current traffic is spam may not be as
> >
> > scary as it at first looks.   My spam filters are very efficient
> > currently.  i only have to hand sort about a dozen messages a day.
> > If
> > this was true of more people the profitability would decrease.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:10 PM, kevinfreels.com wrote:
> >
> > > I agree that viruses are vandalism, but I never recall anyone
> > > referring to
> > > physical junk mail in the mailbox as theft. How is SPAM any
> > different?
> > > Is it
> > > simply a matter of volume or is there a larger reason you would
> > call it
> > > such? Personally I think I have spent more time reading about spam
> > and
> > > dealing with getting my mail through overzealous spam filters than
> > I
> > > actually spend deleting spam. I cen selectively delete a day's
> > worth
> > > of spam
> > > in less time than it takes for me to walk to my mailbox and back.
> > Why
> > > do so
> > > many people put so much time and energy into defeating it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <dirk at neopax.com>; "ExI chat list"
> > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: AnarchoCyphertopian technologies (wasRE:
> > > [extropy-chat]Reccommendations for a mailing list)
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> --- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> And then the last dream of 'free speech' on the Net dies with it.
> > >>> The answer to spam and virus writing/dispersal lies within the
> > wider
> > >>> community.
> > >>
> > >> You don't have the right to spread viruses, or to monopolize other
> > >> people's network assets. That is not free speech.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> If the penalties for both were severe the problem would be vastly
> > >>> reduced.
> > >>> Spam is money motivated. Make it non-cost effective to both
> > advertise
> > >>> via spam and to perform the actual spamming. Full confiscation of
> > >>> assets and lengthy jail time for a start.
> > >>>
> > >>> Redefine deliberate virus promulgation as terrorism and prosecute
> > and
> > >>> punish accordingly. After a few life sentences (no parole) have
> > been
> > >>> handed down I suspect the problem would fade significantly.
> > >>
> > >> More big government solutions.
> > >>
> > >> Spam is theft, viruses are vandalism, as well as theft of
> > services.
> > >> They are property crimes, a matter of common law. A persons right
> > to
> > >> defend their property against attackers is inviolate. Give them
> > the
> > >> tools to make it happen.
> > >>
> > >> =====
> > >> Mike Lorrey
> > >> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> > >> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
> > >> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
> > >>                                       -William Pitt (1759-1806)
> > >> Blog: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Sadomikeyism
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> Mike Lorrey
> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>                                       -William Pitt (1759-1806)
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