[extropy-chat] Lorrey - Who thinks the Bush admin lied over Iraq? Onwhatbasis?

[Mike Lorrey]

--- The Avantguardian <avantguardian2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Because these days, it seems that voting for one party
> or another is not quite enough. What makes the
> Republicans so strong right now is that they do far
> more than vote. If they are reporters they write every
> story with a strong republican slant. If they are
> judges, they rule down party lines. If they are
> businessmen, they pour tons of their hard earned money
> into campaign funds. If they are net-geeks, they set
> up Republican blogs that try to discredit everything
> the other party says. If they are rabble rousers, they
> launch pro-war protests to counter the anti-war
> protests of the left. Politics in the U.S. seems to
> have changed drastically from what it was even a
> decade ago, when most Americans were politically
> active for one day in November. I almost feel that if
> I can't somehow work my political views into every
> facet of my life, I am in danger of losing what little
> say I have in government. But in order for me to be
> that passionate, that biased, I need a cause I can
> believe in. And so far no party fits the bill for me. 

Stuart, I've felt the same way about the Democrats since childhood.
Growing up here in New England, it has always been the Democrats who
were the overbearing presence, who dedicated massive amounts of time
and money to their cause, even here in NH. The GOP here has always
treated politics as a sport and never objected or complained no matter
how eggregiously the Democrats committed vote fraud, primarily because
the Dems always play the "they're being mean" card.

>      How long before teachers start grading their
> students based on their party affiliation? "Sorry
> Johnny but your dad is a communist, so you get a D."

While I had the highest SAT scores in my class in high school, my
grades were always below my top-level peers, because of my then
libertarian/conservative leanings, particularly in english classes,
where I tended to have the shop steward of the NEA local as my teacher
quite often. She hated my papers on 1984, Lord of the Flies, Brave New
World, Animal Farm, and other novels attacking militant collectivism,
and graded me poorly, while a neighbor of mine, who was a Dartmouth
prof, thought they were college-level work.

> How long before scientific grant funding commitees and
> peer review occur down party lines? It would kill
> American science, but it wouldn't surprise me if it
> started happening. Why are the stakes so much higher
> today than they were a mere decade ago? 

As I posted here a while back, a relative of mine found his academic
career at a foreign university under attack from socialists
specifically because of posts of mine to this list. The conditions you
worry about are already here, but it isn't conservatives who are
practicing them.

> Why are so
> many people just discarding any semblence of
> objectivity and sportsmanship to the side? What
> happened? Was it 9-11? Was it practically vote by vote
> coverage on election night? When did the people of
> America stop trusting one another enough to even
> listen to what someone who thinks differently has to
> say? Is it all part of Bin Ladin's master plan? When
> is it going to escalate into violence? 

9-11 was a particularly large attack in an conflict that has been
escalating since the fall of the USSR. The international collectivist
left is pissed at the US for its victory, much as the German
brownshirts were pissed over Germany's loss in WWI. They have not given
up their ideals or seen the error of their ways and are now blaming
similar patsies, which may explain why the left has become so
anti-semite in recent years. 

> It did in the
> last days of the roman empire. Gangs roaming the
> street strong arming the voters into voting for one
> consul or tribune or another. I can almost see that
> happening here in the America. I mean look at this
> list for example. No compromise, no meeting of minds,
> just all out verbal brawls. Everything I say is the
> truth... Everything you say is brainwashed propaganda
> because YOU SIR or MADAM are a party
> schill/stalinist/facist/moron. Everybody is
> complaining about the same problems and yet everybody
> is convinced it is the other party's fault. Who do I
> blame, when I don't know who the OTHER party is? 

Investigate, as I have. Find out what the real groups are, who the
players are in those groups, what their real agenda is and what their
propaganda looks like. When I make statements here, it isn't because of
any kool-aid sipping, it is because I've found out the facts myself,
not buying the dogma that others rely on like a religion. I too have
wanted to know what was really going on, to find out what the truth
actually is, who is lying and how and why.

Mike Lorrey
Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
                                      -William Pitt (1759-1806) 
Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com

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